Cotton, Camping, Peach, Fiesta - "So long, losers!" Edition

18in32 said:
Oh yeah, the country is crying out to see Clemson vs. App State and Ohio St v. Miami, so that we can establish once and for all which is the better team. Gimme a break! Football is violent, dangerous sport. To tack on these meaningless games where the longshots are so very long is a horrible idea.
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Same could be said for early season match ups like these.
 
18in32 said:
Oh yeah, the country is crying out to see Clemson vs. App State and Ohio St v. Miami, so that we can establish once and for all which is the better team. Gimme a break! Football is violent, dangerous sport. To tack on these meaningless games where the longshots are so very long is a horrible idea.
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Well to have a 4-round playoff you’d likely have to shorten the season so if you are in a position to play a patsy here you go rest your starters. Regardless it happens in March madness and people love it.

Don’t see why your arbitrary line that is totally devoid of logic is better than one that allows all conference champions a chance at a NATIONAL title. Not to mention kids and coaches may see easier routes to the playoffs via the smaller conference and want to go to them.

The fact is people want enough playoff teams to give their team a chance and no more. It’s emotionally based argument.
 
madRazor said:
Is it going to take it ACTUALLY HAPPENING before the playoff is expanded to at least as many spots as P5 conferences?!?
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Of course. It took it ACTUALLY HAPPENING for decades before we got the Bowl Coalition, then the Bowl Alliance, then the BCS, and finally, after 16 years of the BCS, the CFP.

But it should take a long time, if you're a Burkean conservative like me. We fear change. And this year the system is working just fine.
 
18in32 said:
The rationale is totally different, and the cost/benefit analysis is totally different.
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Yea the rationale is worse. It’s putting players livelihoods and bodies on the line to fill seats and AD coffers. Good point.
 
GTCrew4b said:
Well to have a 4-round playoff you’d likely have to shorten the season so if you are in a position to play a patsy here you go rest your starters. Regardless it happens in March madness and people love it.
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Shorten the season and have less college football? No thanks.
Don’t see why your arbitrary line that is totally devoid of logic is better than one that allows all conference champions a chance at a NATIONAL title. Not to mention kids and coaches may see easier routes to the playoffs via the smaller conference and want to go to them.
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If "easier routes to the playoffs" were actually a motivation for any recruit, they wouldn't all be flocking to the SEC.

And all P5 conference champions DO have a chance at the national title – they just have to win all their games if they want to take it out of the hands of the power brokers. I don't see anything wrong with that.

The idea that every year every G5 team deserves a chance at the national title because, who knows, maybe this year they could beat all the P5 teams... is ludicrous. The better G5 teams can pick off the worse P5 teams here and there. But absolutely nobody in the country thinks App St is better than Clemson.

The purpose of a playoff isn't "hey wouldn't it be fun to make it a crap shoot?" The point of the playoff is to resolve differences about who's best that the regular season didn't resolve. The World Series, the first regular sports playoff I believe, only existed because the AL and NL pennant winners didn't play each other. But the pennant just went to whomever had the best regular season. That's the point of the regular season!
 
GTCrew4b said:
Yea the rationale is worse. It’s putting players livelihoods and bodies on the line to fill seats and AD coffers. Good point.
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At the beginning of the season, you aren't sure if maybe Citadel can beat Ga Tech. By the end of the season, it is plain that FAU can't beat LSU. There are many other reasons, too.
 
18in32 said:
At the beginning of the season, you aren't sure if maybe Citadel can beat Ga Tech. By the end of the season, it is plain that FAU can't beat LSU. There are many other reasons, too.
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Reason 1 - many of the cupcakes wouldn’t be able to maintain an athletic program without the payout from these games
 
The purpose of the playoff is to determine the national champion. Not the best team.

If you don’t want to give everyone in the division a chance to win the national title, then make a new division.

Eventually we will get to where we need to be which is a true minor league football system loosely connected to the colleges.
 
18in32 said:
Shorten the season and have less college football? No thanks.

If "easier routes to the playoffs" were actually a motivation for any recruit, they wouldn't all be flocking to the SEC.

And all P5 conference champions DO have a chance at the national title – they just have to win all their games if they want to take it out of the hands of the power brokers. I don't see anything wrong with that.

The idea that every year every G5 team deserves a chance at the national title because, who knows, maybe this year they could beat all the P5 teams... is ludicrous. The better G5 teams can pick off the worse P5 teams here and there. But absolutely nobody in the country thinks App St is better than Clemson.

The purpose of a playoff isn't "hey wouldn't it be fun to make it a crap shoot?" The point of the playoff is to resolve differences about who's best that the regular season didn't resolve. The World Series, the first regular sports playoff I believe, only existed because the AL and NL pennant winners didn't play each other. But the pennant just went to whomever had the best regular season. That's the point of the regular season!
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THATS THE POINT. A 12 game regular season simply cannot resolve 120+ teams. To argue otherwise is asinine. Trying to sort through 10 teams with zero or one loss who only have a handful of common opponents total is absurd.
 
Akinji07 said:
How bout a 64 team playoff? Or 128? Some of you are ööööing morons.
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How about a system that allows every team a chance at the national championship? It can be done with as little as 12 teams.
 
GTCrew4b said:
How about a system that allows every team a chance at the national championship? It can be done with as little as 12 teams.
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It can be done with 10 teams: Convert American to a power conference. All P6 champions get a spot in the playoff. The G4 conferences are cut to 11 regular season games and the 4 conference champions play two play-in games. The two winners join the p6 champions for an 8 game playoff.
 
A 4-team playoff determines a national champion who deserves the crown, not necessarily the one who would have the best record in a 64+ team round robin. So what. As long as all the teams who earn their ticket make the playoffs, I don't care. Realistically, any kind of single elimination is going to have a chance that the best team or teams fail to come out on top. More teams just makes that all the more likely. Does anyone really think the basketball playoff is won by the best team in the field every year? The benefit of more teams in finding the best team is allowing teams with a hard luck loss or the unlikely case where a G5 team is best but doesn't have the resume to make it there. Personally, I would have liked to see UCF in the mix when they were undefeated or some of the Boise teams that made the BCS bowls, but even if you might imagine they could win, no one would have figured it likely.
 
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