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knoxjacket

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Sorry I do not agree with your analysis at all. LSU manhandled the 2008 team and simply attacked it and mauled it. We didn't have the talent on the OL to counter punch and they were too physical and fast to be finessed. We saw the same thing happen in the Orange Bowl the following year with the 2009 roster. Both games we were totally dominated physically and no amount of scheme or game planning could have stopped it. The team wasn't mentally prepared to get run over by smash mouth football; but everyone was excited to be the biggest bowl we'd been to in a decade or more. Same with 2009, you can't argue we didn't want to be in the Orange Bowl because the roster Gailey left wasn't physical enough on the lines of scrimmage to compete.

There was no team in 1990 that would have physically mauled the 1990 GT anything like that. Some pundits thought Nebraska would be too big and strong for us and we know how that turned out.
The problem with this argument is getting mauled at the LOS was a recurring problem of the CPJ years. It was not during the CCG years.
 

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Let’s be honest. At the current level Bama, UGA, and Clemson are recruiting at no one except OSU (maybe A&M?) will be recruiting with them and no one will be beating them with any regularity.
I don’t disagree with that. Maybe GC took his first year’s salary and started a foundation for the community that he can use to funnel money to players and their families. That’s what I heard UGa was doing anyways.

But this was the point I was making. Our guys couldn’t line up and run a similar offense and defense and win because we were smaller and slower, even in our best recruiting years. That’s why we brought in PJ. His offense was an equalizer that could overcome our disadvantages. At least, I believe that was the support in hiring PJ.

GT isn’t going to be happy losing to Clemson and uga every year. Hopefully it’ll cause us to up our game to be more competitive. GC understands its all about the recruits and we will hopefully see our recruiting numbers get better and better.
 

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I don’t disagree with that. Maybe GC took his first year’s salary and started a foundation for the community that he can use to funnel money to players and their families. That’s what I heard UGa was doing anyways.

But this was the point I was making. Our guys couldn’t line up and run a similar offense and defense and win because we were smaller and slower, even in our best recruiting years. That’s why we brought in PJ. His offense was an equalizer that could overcome our disadvantages. At least, I believe that was the support in hiring PJ.

GT isn’t going to be happy losing to Clemson and uga every year. Hopefully it’ll cause us to up our game to be more competitive. GC understands its all about the recruits and we will hopefully see our recruiting numbers get better and better.
That would be CGC to you, bub.
 

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The problem with this argument is getting mauled at the LOS was a recurring problem of the CPJ years. It was not during the CCG years.
The problem with this argument is that in 2008 & 2009 it was the result of CCG recruiting. CCG did a below average job recruiting OL & DL those last few years.
 

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The problem with this argument is that in 2008 & 2009 it was the result of CCG recruiting. CCG did a below average job recruiting OL & DL those last few years.
I thought we did pretty good getting what looked to be some good OL in 2007.
 

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The Peach bowl had little to do with talent and had everything to do with a team that wasn’t mentally prepared.

No one was expecting LSU to even give us a fight, never mind crush Tech before the game began.

A reminder, if anyone needed one. LSU scored a TD in the first drive. After a few punts, Tech took the ball down to the LSU 7 and settled for 3 points. LSU then scored another TD in the second quarter to make it 14-3.

LSU was leading but Tech did not look any worse, just unprepared for the occasion.

And then came a disastrous sequence of events. LSU’s next 3 drives, all of which led to TDs, started at the Tech 21, 24 and 42, thanks to a stupid fake punt, a fumble and a 20 yard punt.

The game told us little about the strength and weaknesses of the Tech football Team and more about the fact that they weren’t mentally prepared for this game.
Thanks for this recap. The only thing I remember from this game is paper airplanes.
 

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In this thread, we have some fonts irrationally claiming the talent that CPJ inherited was deficient. This is professionally called "Rationalization" and is a logical fallacy. It is caused "when the individual deals with emotional conflict or internal or external stressors by concealing the true motivations for his or her own thoughts, actions, or feelings through the elaboration of reassuring or self serving but incorrect explanations".

Further clues of mental illness is these are typically the same fonts who get upset if anyone criticizes the level or maturity of talent that CPJ left to his successor, which was clearly inadequate in numbers to field a competitive P5 football team.
 

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Thanks for this recap. The only thing I remember from this game is paper airplanes.
LSU did the same thing to Miami in the Peach Bowl in 2005. Miami started a fight pregame. Miami jumped out to a 3-0 lead. LSU scored 40 straight to win 40-3.
 

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In this thread, we have some fonts irrationally claiming the talent that CPJ inherited was deficient. This is professionally called "Rationalization" and is a logical fallacy. It is caused "when the individual deals with emotional conflict or internal or external stressors by concealing the true motivations for his or her own thoughts, actions, or feelings through the elaboration of reassuring or self serving but incorrect explanations".

Further clues of mental illness is these are typically the same fonts who get upset if anyone criticizes the level or maturity of talent that CPJ left to his successor, which was clearly inadequate in numbers to field a competitive P5 football team.
I guess it depends on how you define competitive. I think everyone can agree TM was an aback playing QB. GT went 9-7 in CPJ last two years in the ACC. That is 9-5 excluding Clemson. We didn’t get lucky like Syracuse. GT finished 3rd and 2nd in the coastal post JT5 who was a great QB.

CGC didn’t have the players to be competitive running any non option scheme. That is a fact.
 

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In this thread, we have some fonts irrationally claiming the talent that CPJ inherited was deficient. This is professionally called "Rationalization" and is a logical fallacy. It is caused "when the individual deals with emotional conflict or internal or external stressors by concealing the true motivations for his or her own thoughts, actions, or feelings through the elaboration of reassuring or self serving but incorrect explanations".

Further clues of mental illness is these are typically the same fonts who get upset if anyone criticizes the level or maturity of talent that CPJ left to his successor, which was clearly inadequate in numbers to field a competitive P5 football team.
Wow, thanks for that explanation. You must be really really smart. Maybe next time use smaller words so more people can understand.
 

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In this thread, we have some fonts irrationally claiming the talent that CPJ inherited was deficient. This is professionally called "Rationalization" and is a logical fallacy. It is caused "when the individual deals with emotional conflict or internal or external stressors by concealing the true motivations for his or her own thoughts, actions, or feelings through the elaboration of reassuring or self serving but incorrect explanations".

Further clues of mental illness is these are typically the same fonts who get upset if anyone criticizes the level or maturity of talent that CPJ left to his successor, which was clearly inadequate in numbers to field a competitive P5 football team.
It was deficient compared to many teams, but it was a good roster for GT standards. I haven’t read every post, but that’s the main thing I’ve seen.

Having really good players at every position helps win. I don’t think anyone would argue that. Can we do that? If yes, then let’s do it. If no, then how are we going to make up for the discrepancy?
 

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I thought we did pretty good getting what looked to be some good OL in 2007.
2006 we signed Zach Krish on OL, on DL we took Ben Anderson and Robert Hall
2007 was better with Claytor, Clyde Yandell, and Gilbert on OL; with Derrick Morgan (top recruit in that class), Walls, Peters

Before someone else says it, 2007 was probably the best DL recruiting we've seen since.
 

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Here’s what I care about:
How Georgia Tech does on Saturdays (and certain Thursdays. And now Fridays, thanks to Swofford).
Period.
While it’s intriguing if they play on Sundays, whether they do or don’t really doesn’t have much bearing on Saturdays
FSU and Miami have been loaded with potential pros. Where’s that gotten them?
You have 224 draft picks a year. That’s 896 over four years. With 130 FBS teams. Plus FCS and D2 (some great pros played D2 - Shannon Sharpe, for one)
You can win with guys who aren’t going to the pros. They still need to be good - but you can lose your ass with “NFL talent.” Right, FSU?
Hell, Butch Jones recruited pretty well at UT. Look at his classes.
And they .... sucked.
We shoulda walked the dog on them
 

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We got mauled up front in 2008/09 because we didn’t have option linemen. I mean, we had a beefed up TE playing on the OL. What was he, 260 lb? I think that was the difference in our two OB performances. Having an OL built for the option.

Unfortunately, those early bowl games showed what a dominant DL can do to an under center team. Once Clem and uga upped their recruiting game, we were looking at two games a season just not being competitive. We weren’t going to recruit linemen big enough to compete with those teams. Because if they OL were big and fast, they weren’t going to play option ball. iiwii
they showed the fans what a dominant DL can do to an under-center team but PJ never seemed to adjust for this. Frankly, the game passed him by and he refused to keep up either thru recruiting or a modified offensive package to try and counter. Running 30 QB keepers/game the last few years wasn't an adjustment but a concession.
 
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