CPJ's first dumb call

I wasn't a fan of the call. But I am very glad the defense corrected the error.
 
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It's not all about the immediate payoff. If you are paying attention, we also throw long passes occasionally when you really wouldn't expect it. A reputation for doing anything at any time is good to have. That's why I don't understand the "Don't show 'em everything" mentality in early season games against weak opponents. Show 'em everything and see if they have time to work on all of it in practice.
 
Sorry guys, I think it was a great call! NOBODY thought this was going to happen, and had it worked this thread would have never been made.
 
Yellow Fever said:
Sorry guys, I think it was a great call! NOBODY thought this was going to happen, and had it worked this thread would have never been made.
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This is something else I agree with. Anyone can say "Even if it had worked.." but if it did, this all would definitely not be discussed.
 
I loved the call.

It is aggrssive. It shows confidence in the D. It is going to pump 18 and 19 year-olds up no matter what happens.

It is SO much better than getting up by seven and shifting into play for a field goal mode. I have watched enough of that for a lifetime.
 
It would have been genius if it worked.

At the time, we had no idea we were going to run for so many yards our starting B back would get tired from all the touchdowns. If it worked, and we scored a TD there, then we'd have nailed the coffin shut early in the first half, just like VT did to us last year.

It was a smart call, a calculated risk, and it almost worked.
 
I thought the call was great, and I think we better get used to us going for stuff like this. CPJ plays to not only win, but dominate. It may not always work, but I love that we're always going to stay on the attack.
 
bellyseries said:
The onsides kick.
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1) This isn't his first bad call (probably somewhere in the 10s or 20s). There are at least a couple of times this year where we went on 4th at (or just short of) midfield when our offense (and line) didn't really give any confidence that we could make it - just to give a specific example.

2) With CPJ, you have to take the bad with the good - he's going to take some risks and they're not all going to work

3) Miami's guy deserves credit for paying attention - usually on early onsides kicks you're hoping to catch the front line off guard (hell, we may have seen something on the first kick to lead us to believe they weren't watching for the trick play)
 
I didn't like the call, but our defense redeemed us. When we had as much momentum as we had prior to that kick, I believe that kicking it deep is the routine thing to do. But CPJ was not routine at all that night, passing on the first few plays and all. That definitely helped us though. I am starting to believe in CPJ more and more as the season progresses. I guess this is what it feels like when you actually have a good coach.
 
I freakin loved the call. The reasons why have already been discussed.
 
it was a bad call b/c it sends a message to the team you need a gimmick up 10-0

This was the same thing Ugag did against UF and caused them to be down 14-3.

The passing at the beginning was a GREAT CALL and gave us some big time MO. But once we got up 10-0 I think PJ could have just let our D and O play straight up. IMO

With all the 4th down attempts we really don't need to add more gimmicks IMO
 
it was a bad call b/c it sends a message to the team you need a gimmick up 10-0
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At that point in the game, our 3 was on a gimmick drive and our 7 was on a defensive score, so I don't care at all what 'message' it sends. I said on the way down to the game that whichever team scores 20 would win, and if we can get up to 17 on a gimmick I'm all for giving it a shot.

VT did that to us last year on Thursday night, and it nailed our coffin shut. I'm good with rolling some dice to nail someone else's coffin shut.
 
ChattanoogaJacket said:
Nah, been reading the forum for years. Just posting the first time.

Like to read different opinions on different forums. Like other forums, there are those who are knowledgable and some dumb asses. I am probably one of the dumb asses.
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lulz. You'll do just fine then. Welcome.
 
AllAmericanBuzz said:
that's how you kick an expected onsides kick. The kick we tried was intended to catch Miami off guard. The kick was almost perfect. Like someone else said, 10 of Miami's players were fooled. They were very lucky that the 11th man realized what was going on at the last second as he had already turned to run backwards before he stopped to get the kick. We had two guys that were about to catch that kick and the Miami player who got it was the only one that could've stopped it. We got a gift TD so it was a smart gamble IMO. Obviously, had we recovered it, more people would've been happy.
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I'm not sure if the rule has changed, but if we catch that ball before it ever hits the ground, we have only downed the ball and we go on defense. For instance, if we kick a high short kickoff, we cannot interfere with the receiving team's effort to catch the ball. The receiving team can also call a fair catch.
 
law_bee said:
it was a bad call b/c it sends a message to the team you need a gimmick up 10-0

This was the same thing Ugag did against UF and caused them to be down 14-3.

The passing at the beginning was a GREAT CALL and gave us some big time MO. But once we got up 10-0 I think PJ could have just let our D and O play straight up. IMO

With all the 4th down attempts we really don't need to add more gimmicks IMO
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law, that's just dumb. Those aren't gimmicks, that's how pj plays the game. And going for the onsides kick wasn't sending a message to the team that we needed a gimmick, it was showing his confidence in them that 1) we were going to get it, 2) we were going to score again, and 3) if it didn't work it wouldn't hurt.
 
golftango18yankeejuliet said:
I'm not sure if the rule has changed, but if we catch that ball before it ever hits the ground, we have only downed the ball and we go on defense. For instance, if we kick a high short kickoff, we cannot interfere with the receiving team's effort to catch the ball. The receiving team can also call a fair catch.
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(edit: ncjacket pointed out that my comment below is incorrect.)

A kickoff becomes a free ball when it either 1) touches someone in the receiving team or 2) it travels at least 10 yards from where it was kicked. Scott kicked it at least 10 yards, all we had to do was get the ball back. We had more bodies in the area so we had a chance to get the ball, it's just that none of our guys there was looking for the ball and just passed by the UM player that caught it. So maybe our guys thought it was going to be kicked a little further than 10 yards; like in between the first and second layer of the receiving team lines.

UM could have called a fair catch for Scott's kick but the guy had no time and we caught them off-guard. Normally, like discussed in this thread, an onside kicker tries to make it hit the ground and bounce high in the air because once the ball hits the ground, a fair catch call is called off.
 
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Don't think so alpha. This came up in the Duke-Wake game earlier this year. The ball has to hit something and go 10 yards to be free. Plus is a receiving team player is in the area he has to have an opportunity to catch the ball. You need to either bounce it in front of the tee or let it hit.
 
ncjacket said:
Don't think so alpha. This came up in the Duke-Wake game earlier this year. The ball has to hit something and go 10 yards to be free. Plus is a receiving team player is in the area he has to have an opportunity to catch the ball. You need to either bounce it in front of the tee or let it hit.
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I stand corrected. Thanks ncjacket. :o I looked up the Duke-Wake game.

I guess my follow up question is... what was our guys trying to do with the ball in the air...?
 
Not sure. Maybe the kicker screwed up? Or the reason they didn't catch it is they were waiting for it to hit? The article said they saw the Miami return team turning their back but one guy realized what was happening and made the play.
 
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