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We should just have a forum where we can make fun of the idiotic things Fivehead says.

Talking about recruiting rankings:

It's still early, and the rankings will continue to be shuffled, but it's hard to ignore the fact seven SEC teams are in the top 15.
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It's extremely easy to ignore it Heather, because as soon as a recruit commits to an SEC school their 'stars' jump up by at least 12.

As soon as a recruit commits to an ACC school it drops by about 5 million.

It's a toss up whether ESPN is more SEC biased, or recruiting 'stars/rankings/ratings'.
 
Dinich is really searching for something to post when she starts talking about SEC recruiting in the first half of the CFB season on an ACC blog.
 
Cajun, in defense of that, the ACC has pretty much wet the bed so far.

http://www.collegegameballs.com/2009/09/30/acc-roundtable-4-non-conference-report-card/

Bias in CGB -- he is a Hokie fan.

Now that most ACC teams’ non-conference schedules are winding down and we are starting league play, it’s time to take the vitals of the ACC’s play in non-conference action. Here is how the ACC fared against the rest of college football through 4 weeks (based on my back-of-the-envelope math):
BCS ConferenceRecordWin Pct.vs. Big East2-2.500vs. Pac 101-1.500vs. Big XII1-2.333vs. SEC0-2.000The RestRecordWin Pct.vs. MAC1-01.000vs. I-A Indep. aka Army1-01.000vs. Conference USA2-1.666vs. Sun Belt1-1.500vs. Mountain West1-2.333vs. FCS I-AA9-2.818Overall19-13.593
Comment on your team’s (if applicable, sorry Miami) and the conference’s non-conference performance through 4 weeks. As a conference, what head-to-head record against another conference stands out to you most?
As a conference our performance has been horrible, abominable, putrid and pathetic. Losing games to I-AA teams is unACCeptable (Zing!). There would’ve been 3-5 more adjectives and perhaps a couple of “****s” to describe the ACC vs outsiders had the Hokies not notched a quality win against Nebraska and had a passable showing against Alabama.
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Do you really think ACC teams out recruit SEC teams? Do you think it's close? because it is not.
 
The Champ said:
Do you really think ACC teams out recruit SEC teams? Do you think it's close? because it is not.
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I don't think ACC out recruits SEC schools, but I don't think it's as big of a gap as most would like you to believe.

Also, I am a VERY firm believer in the garbage of highly recruited players dropping in 'ratings' when going with an ACC school over an SEC school and vice versa.
 
We actually have coaches that bring out more talent in the players than the rankings show.
 
The Champ said:
Do you really think ACC teams out recruit SEC teams? Do you think it's close? because it is not.
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Do you think ACC coaches are better than SEC? How would you explain the parity when it comes to draft day?
 
They have some pretty good coaches too.

The reality is that the top SEC teams do have more talent than the ACC teams. However, you can still only have 85 kids on a roster. There are lots of great high school kids, some who don't bloom till later. Florida, Alabama, etc have lots of "can't miss" athletes. Some of them, as it turns out, are misses, but there is no denying that they have lots of great athletes on the team. That doesn't mean we don't have great athletes too.
 
augustabuzz said:
Do you think ACC coaches are better than SEC? How would you explain the parity when it comes to draft day?
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Its a matter of depth. Most ACC schools have some great athletes. Calvin, Jacory, Ryan etc. These are the guys that get selected on draft day. Top SEC schools are usually deeper. That's why LSU was able to whoop up on us during a bad year for them. Does this mean we can't beat them on any given saturday? No, but it does help explain why the last 3 NCs have gone to the SEC.
 
NatiJacket said:
Its a matter of depth. Most ACC schools have some great athletes. Calvin, Jacory, Ryan etc. These are the guys that get selected on draft day. Top SEC schools are usually deeper. That's why LSU was able to whoop up on us during a bad year for them. Does this mean we can't beat them on any given saturday? No, but it does help explain why the last 3 NCs have gone to the SEC.
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+1. You beat me to it.

ACC starters match SEC starters evenly. The backups are where the difference is. There are lots of reasons (academic standards,tradition,geography,$$$,$$$, and probably even $$$), but its up to us (ACC) to change it and quit acting like a bunch of pussies.
 
The Champ said:
Do you really think ACC teams out recruit SEC teams? Do you think it's close? because it is not.
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I don't know what it matters to out-recruit if you don't out-perform.

And over any extended period the relative performance of all the BCS conferences has fluctuated up and down. For some reason the different down years of the SEC vanish in memory. And often they have been mediocre as a conference overall yet had a better perception because of a couple of top teams. They have done better long term than other BCS conferences, but the difference is slight when subjected to objective analysis.

Big 10, Big 12, Pac-10, ACC, and SEC have all ended going up and down relative to each other over the years. The only consistent and significant long term differences are the BCS vs. non-BCS conferences. And many argue that is self-perpetuated by the BCS bowl system.
 
lonestarjacket said:
I don't know what it matters to out-recruit if you don't out-perform.
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Conferences are judged based on the top teams.

National Championships the last 20 years:

SEC 7
B12 6
ACC 3
P10 3
BE 3
B10 2

While 3 NCs for the ACC is respectable, I would say that the SEC is indeed out-performing the ACC.
 
There is a great graph of players picked by conference in USA Today. Have you all seen it?

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/draft-history-graphic.htm

Per USA Today Players in NFL by conference:

In 2009 ACC had 33 players picked. SEC had 37.
In 2008 ACC had 34 players picked. SEC had 35.
In 2007 ACC had 51 players picked. SEC had 37. This was our best year, and the only year we beat the SEC.

Most SEC ever had was 47 in 2002. Lowest for them was 25 in 97.
Most ACC ever had was 51 in 2007. Lowest for us was 16 in 96 -- that was pre Miami, VT and BC.
 
The SEC is so far ahead of the ACC right now it's not even funny, and there is no reason to make an argument about it. Even their bottom teams like Miss St. had a bunch of 4 stars last year (all be it they were all from Mississippi, but still). Vanderbilt's even beginning to recruit well.
Let's face it, if the SEC continues to recruit the best, they will remain the best conference. I have a feeling Tennessee is going to be scary in a few years with the staff Kiffin has put together.
I just hope though while we (Tech) may not have the top recruiting classes, we can have the best coach who knows his own system like no other.
 
Reading Heather Dinich is like asking my wife what she thinks about ACC football. I wouldn't bother because the answer I'm going to get is uneducated and most of the time worthless information. Why ESPN has given her a blog is just beyond stupid to me.
 
DeRRtyTree said:
The SEC is so far ahead of the ACC right now it's not even funny, and there is no reason to make an argument about it. Even their bottom teams like Miss St. had a bunch of 4 stars last year (all be it they were all from Mississippi, but still). Vanderbilt's even beginning to recruit well.
Let's face it, if the SEC continues to recruit the best, they will remain the best conference. I have a feeling Tennessee is going to be scary in a few years with the staff Kiffin has put together.
I just hope though while we (Tech) may not have the top recruiting classes, we can have the best coach who knows his own system like no other.
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You cannot evaluate a recruiting class' quality by the number of stars some amateur places on them, especially one motivated by profit. You can only evaluate it based on productivity on the field, measured by overall W/L, head to head records, players drafted, and the like.
 
Who is this Anthony Dickson guy?

"9. Georgia Tech’s defense against Mississippi State running back Anthony Dickson. Dickson ran for 106 yards and two touchdowns last weekend against LSU. The Yellow Jackets rank second in the ACC and 30th nationally in rushing defense (106.0). Last year, Dixon ran for 94 yards on 13 carries against the Yellow Jackets."

I thought their RB was Anthony Dixon

HD sucks
 
stinger78 said:
You cannot evaluate a recruiting class' quality by the number of stars some amateur places on them, especially one motivated by profit. You can only evaluate it based on productivity on the field, measured by overall W/L, head to head records, players drafted, and the like.
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There are studies that relate #stars to All-American, as well as #stars to overall wins.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...ighborhood-recruiting-rankin?urn=ncaaf,137439
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footba...ighborhood-recruiting-rankin?urn=ncaaf,137146
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There are 2 caveats to both of these articles -- the more stars a person has, the more he is likely to be biased to be named an All-American, at least as a rookie -- and then the bias is in; and to the number of wins, the larger, better programs typically get the better star players -- and they are winning more because they are the larger programs, so it is a bit of a circumferential argument.
 
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