Does GT have a "puncher's chance" this weekend?

johncu said:
A lot of what you say is true, but I disagree strongly with the bolded statement. Who is in at QB matters a lot. Oliver averaged 8.4 yards per carry against Citadel, and Johnson averaged 0.7. Both passed equally ineffectively. FWIW Jordan Mason averaged 7.1 ypc. Our OL butchered the 2nd down play in OT, but we never even would have been in that situation had we played Oliver all game. 8.4 yards per carry (and 7.1 for Mason) would have been enough to win the game. We rarely averaged that much under CPJ, but we scored a lot more points because we were efficient and called plays with down and distance in mind. We're not doing that right now.
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It was CITADEL. Neither QB kept them off balance. Given the opponent, that is more of an indictment on the offensive line than anything.
 
This looks like Oliver was pretty successful to me, regardless of what our OL or Citadel's defense was doing.

  • 1st & 10 at GT 41
    (15:00 - 2nd) Jordan Mason run for 14 yds to the Citad 45 for a 1ST down

  • 1st & 10 at CIT 45
    (15:00 - 2nd) Tobias Oliver run for 20 yds to the Citad 25 for a 1ST down

  • 1st & 10 at CIT 25
    (15:00 - 2nd) Tobias Oliver run for 19 yds to the Citad 6 for a 1ST down

  • 1st & Goal at CIT 6
    (15:00 - 2nd) Jordan Mason run for 2 yds to the Citad 4

  • (12:55 - 2nd) Timeout GEORGIA TECH, clock 12:55
  • 2nd & Goal at CIT 4
    (12:49 - 2nd) Jordan Mason run for 4 yds for a TD, (Wesley Wells PAT MISSED)



  • 1st & 10 at GT 33
    (8:46 - 4th) Tobias Oliver pass complete to Jalen Camp for 29 yds to the Citad 38 for a 1ST down

  • 1st & 10 at CIT 38
    (8:46 - 4th) Tobias Oliver run for 5 yds to the Citad 33

  • 2nd & 5 at CIT 33
    (8:46 - 4th) Tobias Oliver run for 8 yds to the Citad 25 for a 1ST down

  • 1st & 10 at CIT 25
    (7:29 - 4th) Jordan Mason run for 25 yds for a TD, (Brenton King KICK)


We scored 14 points in about 4 minutes with Oliver at QB. We scored 10 points in the other 56 minutes, mostly trying to force Johnson to run plays that Oliver is clearly better at.
 
One thing that's been overlooked in the Johnson-Oliver discussion is the the lack of carries for Mason. He had four carries in the first half against Citadel and only 11 overall. Yeah, some of that is being dictated by the defense on inside zone plays, but you still need to get the ball in his hands more.
 
johncu said:
It's not as simple as just running the ball more. The problem is that we're putting ourselves in horrible down-and-distance situations by doing stupid öööö on first and second down. With Oliver at QB, we're much more likely to end up in 3rd and 2 than 3rd and 15, even if he isn't able to throw downfield. We don't appear to be able to stretch anyone vertically right now, but we should be able to stretch horizontally with speed option (we have QBs who can read it and run it), bubble screens (easy throw and we have WRs who can block), and dive plays when we get the defense looking to the perimeter. I know we've tried that some, but we need to do it more.
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Some data on downs & distances / play calls vs Citadel.

1st Down
Johnson
-6 pass calls: 3 for 5 passing (28 yards, 33 yards/TD, 9 yards), 1 sack
-4 run calls: J Mason for 2 and 1 yard, J Howard for 0 yards, and Option keeper for 6 yards

Oliver
-2 pass calls: 2/2 passing for -2 yards and 29 yards (J Camp)
-9 run calls: 6 QB designed runs or option keeps for 20,19,3,7,5,1 yards. 3 RB calls (J Mason for 14,2,25/TD)

2nd Down
Johnson 10+ yards (4 plays):
-2 pass calls: 1 scramble for 7 yards and 1 completion for 10 yards on 2nd and 22
-2 run calls: 1 jet sweep reverse with Oliver that was blown up for -1 yard, J Howard for 12 yards on 2nd & 15.

Oliver 10+ yards (1 play):
-1 run call: J Mason 6 yards on 2nd and 12

Johnson 6 - 10 yards (1 play):
-1 pass call: incomplete

Oliver 6 - 10 yards (3 plays):
-1 pass call: 0/1
-2 run calls: T Oliver for 1 yard each play

Johnson <6 yards (1 play):
-1 pass call: complete to J Mason for 11 yards on a dump pass after pocket collapsed

Oliver <6 yards (4 plays):
-4 run calls: T Oliver for 22,7,8 and J Mason for 4 yards/TD.

3rd Down
Johnson 8+ yards (4 plays):
-3 pass calls: 1 sack, 0/2 passing
-1 run call: QB draw (most likely) for 9 yards & a 1st down

Oliver 8+ yards (1 play):
-1 run call: J Mason for 18 yards on an option pitch, 1st down

Johnson 3 - 8 yards (3 plays)
-2 pass calls: sack on 3rd and 7 due to blitz, scramble for 5 yards on 3rd and 3.
-1 run call: D Smith -2 yards

Oliver 3 - 8 yards (1 play):
-1 run call: J Mason for 5 yards on 3rd and 6

Johnson 0 - 3 yards (0 plays)
Oliver 0 - 3 yards (0 plays)

4th Down
Johnson: none
Oliver: J Mason for 0 yards.

Thoughts
-190 yards of 303 yards came on 1st down.
-7 of 10 explosive plays came on 1st down.
-Johnson got the first 13 snaps and went for 60 yards. Got 3 1st downs.
-Johnson came in on 3rd down after Oliver was in for 2nd down 3 times (3rd & 7, 8, and 8 - sack, incomplete, sack)
-Oliver came in on 3rd down after Johnson was in for 2nd down once (3rd & 12 - converted w/ J Mason option pitch)
-Johnson earned 4 first downs (1st & 10, 3rd & 8, 3rd and 3, 2nd and 1) and 1 TD (1st & 10)
-Oliver earned 7 first downs (1st & 10, 1st & 10, 2nd & 4, 1st & 10, 1st & 10, 2nd & 5, 3rd & 12) and 2 TD (1st & 10, 2nd & 4)
-As a team, averaged 9 yards on 1st and 10.05 , 6.7 yards on 2nd and 8.5, 2.6 yards on 3rd and 7.33.
 
gte490v said:
Some data on downs & distances / play calls vs Citadel.

1st Down
Johnson
-6 pass calls: 3 for 5 passing (28 yards, 33 yards/TD, 9 yards), 1 sack
-4 run calls: J Mason for 2 and 1 yard, J Howard for 0 yards, and Option keeper for 6 yards

Oliver
-2 pass calls: 2/2 passing for -2 yards and 29 yards (J Camp)
-9 run calls: 6 QB designed runs or option keeps for 20,19,3,7,5,1 yards. 3 RB calls (J Mason for 14,2,25/TD)

2nd Down
Johnson 10+ yards (4 plays):
-2 pass calls: 1 scramble for 7 yards and 1 completion for 10 yards on 2nd and 22
-2 run calls: 1 jet sweep reverse with Oliver that was blown up for -1 yard, J Howard for 12 yards on 2nd & 15.

Oliver 10+ yards (1 play):
-1 run call: J Mason 6 yards on 2nd and 12

Johnson 6 - 10 yards (1 play):
-1 pass call: incomplete

Oliver 6 - 10 yards (3 plays):
-1 pass call: 0/1
-2 run calls: T Oliver for 1 yard each play

Johnson <6 yards (1 play):
-1 pass call: complete to J Mason for 11 yards on a dump pass after pocket collapsed

Oliver <6 yards (4 plays):
-4 run calls: T Oliver for 22,7,8 and J Mason for 4 yards/TD.

3rd Down
Johnson 8+ yards (4 plays):
-3 pass calls: 1 sack, 0/2 passing
-1 run call: QB draw (most likely) for 9 yards & a 1st down

Oliver 8+ yards (1 play):
-1 run call: J Mason for 18 yards on an option pitch, 1st down

Johnson 3 - 8 yards (3 plays)
-2 pass calls: sack on 3rd and 7 due to blitz, scramble for 5 yards on 3rd and 3.
-1 run call: D Smith -2 yards

Oliver 3 - 8 yards (1 play):
-1 run call: J Mason for 5 yards on 3rd and 6

Johnson 0 - 3 yards (0 plays)
Oliver 0 - 3 yards (0 plays)

4th Down
Johnson: none
Oliver: J Mason for 0 yards.

Thoughts
-190 yards of 303 yards came on 1st down.
-7 of 10 explosive plays came on 1st down.
-Johnson got the first 13 snaps and went for 60 yards. Got 3 1st downs.
-Johnson came in on 3rd down after Oliver was in for 2nd down 3 times (3rd & 7, 8, and 8 - sack, incomplete, sack)
-Oliver came in on 3rd down after Johnson was in for 2nd down once (3rd & 12 - converted w/ J Mason option pitch)
-Johnson earned 4 first downs (1st & 10, 3rd & 8, 3rd and 3, 2nd and 1) and 1 TD (1st & 10)
-Oliver earned 7 first downs (1st & 10, 1st & 10, 2nd & 4, 1st & 10, 1st & 10, 2nd & 5, 3rd & 12) and 2 TD (1st & 10, 2nd & 4)
-As a team, averaged 9 yards on 1st and 10.05 , 6.7 yards on 2nd and 8.5, 2.6 yards on 3rd and 7.33.
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In the time it took you to make this post Patenaude rolled through 8 different QBs. Sadly zero received the shotgun snap above the knees.
 
This will be a matchup between CPJ's recruits and CGC's recruits. Deep down, I wonder which team the 404'ers will be pulling for?
 
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