Does our defense spend their practice time praying for Saturday turnovers?

33jacket said:
The point is regardless of any one game the d is and has been the issue in totality any given year. And under roof it may be the worse it's ever been. Last year we were in the 100s in d.

This year we have made teams have personal highs every game. Whether in longest play from scrimmage or yards or whatever. No improvement

So the fact remains the d is and still is an issue. Is the o garbage this year too......yup....but the d doesn't deserve a pass either. Typically the O shoulders the burden.
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I disagree. I'm not saying Roof is the messiah; but he's arguably the best we've had during CPJ's time here (maybe Kelly was better). I'm not faulting Roof with the DL yet; but it needs to get fixed really soon, like next year, or he takes the responsibility for it. The defensive stats you reference, which are undeniable, I think are due to lack of a good DL and our 3-O (which now stands for 3 and Out) offense.
 
33jacket said:
The point is regardless of any one game the d is and has been the issue in totality any given year. And under roof it may be the worse it's ever been. Last year we were in the 100s in d.
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By what measure? ESPN has us 65th in yards per game last year, 10th in interceptions, and 39th in fumbles. Not sure how any of that translates to a defense in the 100s, and if you think it's the worst it's ever been you must have a really short memory.

It certainly wasn't excellent, but it wasn't nearly as bad as you seem to be making it out to be.
 
gtfan088 said:
Gave up more total points and yards to Pitt than any team other than Youngstown State. I don't know how you can not see a problem with that.
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There always is some phase missing, this week the defense played sorry. We just aren't a good team, it hurts.
 
GT1992 said:
The defense has regressed to Roof's bend but don't break philosophy. We aren't getting consistent quick pressure and are leaving the db's out. I want to be more aggressive, putting our d out for 8minutes early in the game is suicide. If they beat us up top, so be it, but stop the öööö 4 yard runs.
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Totally agree, if teams take the clock away from us we cannot win.
 
andrew said:
By what measure? ESPN has us 65th in yards per game last year, 10th in interceptions, and 39th in fumbles. Not sure how any of that translates to a defense in the 100s, and if you think it's the worst it's ever been you must have a really short memory.

It certainly wasn't excellent, but it wasn't nearly as bad as you seem to be making it out to be.
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How quickly people forget going 4-5 games where we didn't even force a single punt.

The D is not good, but coming out of last year I was really thinking we just needed The World's Okayest Defense and we would blow people's doors off.

This year's D with last year's O and we are in the group of 4. Probably still mashed by Oregon, OSU, or Alabama, but I think we would have been 13-0.
 
Our DL and pass rush are just awful. Our QB runs for his life on a pass play. Opposing team's QB's comfortably sit back and scan the field. Terrible
 
coit said:
Their first drive was 7 minutes, 10 seconds if my memory serves. We scored in less than 2 minutes in response. They beat us at our own game in terms of controlling the clock.
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The Pitt Death March!

Wasn't Sherman from Pittsburg?
 
andrew said:
By what measure? ESPN has us 65th in yards per game last year, 10th in interceptions, and 39th in fumbles. Not sure how any of that translates to a defense in the 100s, and if you think it's the worst it's ever been you must have a really short memory.

It certainly wasn't excellent, but it wasn't nearly as bad as you seem to be making it out to be.
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This. The thing that set last year's defense apart was the fact that we started out like our defenses have tended to under Johnson but then we actually saw marked improvement as the year went on. I've seen some people write it off as turnovers inflating our defensive stats but we forced most of those turnovers and it was an indicator of a defense swarming to the ball and playing in position. I'm not Roof's biggest fan, but the improvement of our defense last season was impressive.
 
Until we decent defensive linemen, we are going to get throttled. Shaq Mason is a liar.
 
JacketDan said:
How quickly people forget going 4-5 games where we didn't even force a single punt.

The D is not good, but coming out of last year I was really thinking we just needed The World's Okayest Defense and we would blow people's doors off.

This year's D with last year's O and we are in the group of 4. Probably still mashed by Oregon, OSU, or Alabama, but I think we would have been 13-0.
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EDIT: Misinterpreted the post. Agreed.
 
andrew said:
We forced a punt every game last year. There was literally not one game where the other team didn't punt.

I'm not saying the D was great or even very good, but you guys are acting like they were Swiss cheese and it seems like you're making up stats to support it
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I wasn't talking about last year but the dreaded Years prior.
 
JacketDan said:
This year's D with last year's O and we are in the group of 4. Probably still mashed by Oregon, OSU, or Alabama, but I think we would have been 13-0.
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Predicting an undefeated year is really hard to do regardless of who it is, but I agree with your basic point here. But even if we're talking about last year's offense and defense as they were at the end of the regular season, there's still not a team I don't think we could have beaten. And I certainly don't think we'd have gotten manhandled by anyone, even the ones you listed there. We were as good as anyone in the nation.
 
JJacket said:
No, he said that the best defensive lineman he played against last season was Jabari Hunt. No way.
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Oh, I gotcha. Yeah, I mean there's just not a threat anywhere. Not going to be or do anything special when you're just giving the OL something to do while their quarterback decides whether he wants to pass or run it himself for 7-10 yards.
 
The Jacket said:
Oh, I gotcha. Yeah, I mean there's just not a threat anywhere. Not going to be or do anything special when you're just giving the OL something to do while their quarterback decides whether he wants to pass or run it himself for 7-10 yards.
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And when you see an OL on a pass play be able to turn his head and look to see if the QB is still behind him because the guy he is blocking is so weak he isn't worried about him getting past.
 
I think what happened with Shaq and Jabari was that on the scout team Jabari only has a limited set of things to worry about. The offense in practice is probably running only a few plays at a time, or maybe even the same play, repeatedly. So Jarbari can just line up and go full throttle into the OL. In a game, he has watch for, identify, and the defend the full array of plays. Also, Jabari knows the GT OL-men much better than the opposing team DL-men, so he may have been better able to attack Shaq in ways the opposing OL-men wouldn't necessarily know to do.

CPJ mentioned one time that at end of spring practice he has all the coaches rank every player on the team. In doing so, The AB coach, for example, might think highly of a 2nd or 3rd string DB because he's so hard to block. But, as CPJ noted, in practice that DB is not worried about the WR getting behind him if the DB knows the offense is practicing a running play. In a game, the DB would have to first verify that the play was a run and not a play action before he could attack.

So I wouldn't think it fair to call Shaq a liar. Just recognize that Jabari on the scout team DL had advantages that Jabari on the defense doesn't have. Also, remember that to some extent Jabari is a freshman DL-man.
 
bravejason said:
I think what happened with Shaq and Jabari was that on the scout team Jabari only has a limited set of things to worry about. The offense in practice is probably running only a few plays at a time, or maybe even the same play, repeatedly. So Jarbari can just line up and go full throttle into the OL. In a game, he has watch for, identify, and the defend the full array of plays. Also, Jabari knows the GT OL-men much better than the opposing team DL-men, so he may have been better able to attack Shaq in ways the opposing OL-men wouldn't necessarily know to do.

CPJ mentioned one time that at end of spring practice he has all the coaches rank every player on the team. In doing so, The AB coach, for example, might think highly of a 2nd or 3rd string DB because he's so hard to block. But, as CPJ noted, in practice that DB is not worried about the WR getting behind him if the DB knows the offense is practicing a running play. In a game, the DB would have to first verify that the play was a run and not a play action before he could attack.

So I wouldn't think it fair to call Shaq a liar. Just recognize that Jabari on the scout team DL had advantages that Jabari on the defense doesn't have. Also, remember that to some extent Jabari is a freshman DL-man.
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I think JJ was joking around, but your post is spot on. And I didn't know that about the coaches ranking players, that's interesting. Is it a by-position type deal, like a depth chart, or do they rank all players against each other?
 
coit said:
You can really tell how little some people know about the game of football when they come on here and start complaining about the defense.

Only gave up 10 points in the 2nd half.

I fail to see a problem with that.
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Because football is played with 1st & 2nd half?

In other words, at least 3 of the last 4 games our D has not come out ready to play. Our D never gets a good pass rush.

And because D & ST are just as important to winning as O. Actually I think D is the most important of the 3. JMO
 
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