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our new HC, there are athletes out there playing high school football that fit our system who will not be looked at by other schools and will thrive in this system. there is alot of recruiting left to be done, we will be fine. in the final analysis we could actually benefit from recruiting in a different direction
 
ya I think we can all see the big picture here. Just kinda sucks to have to go through all the backlash of the coaching change.
 
atlanta jacket said:
our new HC, there are athletes out there playing high school football that fit our system who will not be looked at by other schools and will thrive in this system. there is alot of recruiting left to be done, we will be fine. in the final analysis we could actually benefit from recruiting in a different direction
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This is not unexpected. Even if PJ runs an offense that uses WRs extensively, his reputation is the Navy offense. That's what high school recruits have seen and that's what recruiters from other schools are telling them.
 
Bottom line is its tough to recruit to a triple option offense.

I don't expect bigtime recruits on the offensive side of the ball if he runs the TO and not the spread. Occasionally we may land one or two...but thats it. If he DOES move to the spread and runs a balanced attack then I think we will land MORE bigtime recruits!!!

This was my #1 concern with PJ. Unless he runs a more balanced option attack...get used to it.
 
33jacket said:
Bottom line is its tough to recruit to a triple option offense.

I don't expect bigtime recruits on the offensive side of the ball if he runs the TO and not the spread. Occasionally we may land one or two...but thats it. If he DOES move to the spread and runs a balanced attack then I think we will land MORE bigtime recruits!!!

This was my #1 concern with PJ. Unless he runs a more balanced option attack...get used to it.
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I think those are some wide strokes you are painting with. We will NEVER have a shortage of big time RB's, dual threat QB's and OL that want to play in this system. Really the only positions we will lack star power is at WR and TE. Given PJ's track record, that's a fact I can live with.
 
SpongeBuzzSquareJacket said:
I think those are some wide strokes you are painting with. We will NEVER have a shortage of big time RB's, dual threat QB's and OL that want to play in this system. Really the only positions we will lack star power is at WR and TE. Given PJ's track record, that's a fact I can live with.
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I guess we will find out won't we? If he runs the 75% run oriented TO option scheme he ran at navy; I have to disagree and bigtime players won't come here. They will want to come to a system that prepares them for the NFL. The TO doesn't; not for any of those positions on the field including the OL. The wide splits and schemes PJ uses are not NFL prep schemes on the OL.

If he runs a balanced attack then I am not worried.

Is it a wide brush, maybe, but that has been my concern from day 1 so I HOPE he opens up his offense.
 
The only "cure" for a reputation that will certainly be ammunition for other recruiters is the proof to the contrary that an actual season will provide.

CPJ may be at somewhat of a disadvantage until there's a "seeing is believing" component to the recruiting equation.
 
Does it matter if we get "big-time" players or not if we just WIN?

Jeez - I've never seen a fanbase as destined for failure as ours.
 
ParkinJacket said:
Does it matter if we get "big-time" players or not if we just WIN?

Jeez - I've never seen a fanbase as destined for failure as ours.
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I stand by the position that in the ACC we won't WIN like we want to WIN without bigtime recruits

ie we will win 7-8 games, but not 9-10 and titles. AND THAT is what its all about.
 
I don't expect bigtime recruits on the offensive side of the ball if he runs the TO and not the spread. Occasionally we may land one or two...but thats it.
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Define "big time," and correlate to the last 6 years of Chan.

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beej67,
seems to recall only landing one "big time" offensive recruit in the last six years, that wasn't suited for a 3O.
 
beej67 said:
Define "big time," and correlate to the last 6 years of Chan.

Thanks.
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big time:
Donley
Renfree
Nesbitt
C. Jackson
Dwyer
R Jones
Choice
Calvin Johnson
Bebe Thomas
Threet
Peek


By this list I think you can see Chan actually brought in good players. He just sucked as a coach. And I say, of that list over the same 3-4 years as PJ as head coach we land 3 maybe 4 players. If he runs spread....we land those players and more!
 
beej67 said:
beej67,
seems to recall only landing one "big time" offensive recruit in the last six years, that wasn't suited for a 3O.
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its one thing to take players already there and say are they suited for the TO?

its another to actually recruit them to the TO. All players outside unmobile QBs can play in the TO. But not all players will want to come to play the TO....and that is the issue IMO over time we will find out.

Like I said, if he runs a balanced attack and we win...it won't be an issue.
 
I'm all ears on this one. What do you call a big time recruit? Some kid who a sportswriter says is good or some recruiting service pumps up as being the next great one?

PJ was very specific in his press conference. Let me parapharase him here. "I'm not looking at a player because someone says he's a four or five star player. That doesn't mean anything to me. I want to see him in person. I want to see how he handles himself."

PJ can take the one and two star athletes and run up big numbers on O in the ACC. The real key will be getting the defensive studs.
 
33jacket said:
Bottom line is its tough to recruit to a triple option offense.

I don't expect bigtime recruits on the offensive side of the ball if he runs the TO and not the spread. Occasionally we may land one or two...but thats it. If he DOES move to the spread and runs a balanced attack then I think we will land MORE bigtime recruits!!!

This was my #1 concern with PJ. Unless he runs a more balanced option attack...get used to it.
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Its tough to recruit WR's to an option offense, but its not tough to recruit RB's and athletic QB's to the option offense. We should see an improvement in our overall recruiting at those positions. Look at WVU's improvement in recruiting QB's and RB's after their successes.
 
PJ can take the one and two star athletes and run up big numbers on O in the ACC.
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And to think I was ever concerned about this!
 
I contest the "bigtimeness" of the following from your list:

Donley
Renfree
C. Jackson
Bebe Thomas


I note that this guy from your list didn't even commit to Tech:

Choice

And this guy chose Tech due to academics:

Calvin Johnson

And this guy left a pro style offense to go play for a team that's now going to end up running option:

Threet

And I maintain that these big time players would have no problem coming to play for a team that runs a fair chunk of option football:

Nesbitt
Dwyer
R Jones
Peek

This:
Like I said, if he runs a balanced attack and we win...it won't be an issue.
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...is just a way to set up your handwaving freakoutery next season, so you can complain about PJ's system even if we win.
 
If memory serves me correctly, Pepper Rodgers brought in his wishbone offense and had the greatest recruiting class in Tech's history. Guys like RB Eddie Lee Ivery and WR Drew Hill didn't seem to mind the training as they went on to have good NFL careers. AP is doing just fine in the NFL too out of the same PJ offense. And Tracy Hamm was the CFL's all time QB.

Can y'all please give this a rest already?
 
33jacket said:
big time:
Donley
Renfree
Nesbitt
C. Jackson
Dwyer
R Jones
Choice
Calvin Johnson
Bebe Thomas
Threet
Peek


By this list I think you can see Chan actually brought in good players. He just sucked as a coach. And I say, of that list over the same 3-4 years as PJ as head coach we land 3 maybe 4 players. If he runs spread....we land those players and more!
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That's funny, Johnson's first signed recruit must qualify as a big time player if you have Peek, Roddy Jones, and BeBe on that list - he's ranked as high as those guys were on Rivals (highest three-star). Also, Choice was a transfer not a recruit - we actually mishandled his original recruitment and didn't get him.

Also, the majority of the guys that you listed are from the most recent recruiting class, or not even enrolled here (7/11), so that was one year of good effort. What about the other 5 years of effort?
 
beej67 said:
I contest the "bigtimeness" of the following from your list:

Donley
Renfree
C. Jackson
Bebe Thomas


I note that this guy from your list didn't even commit to Tech:

Choice

And this guy chose Tech due to academics:

Calvin Johnson

And this guy left a pro style offense to go play for a team that's now going to end up running option:

Threet

And I maintain that these big time players would have no problem coming to play for a team that runs a fair chunk of option football:

Nesbitt
Dwyer
R Jones
Peek

This:


...is just a way to set up your handwaving freakoutery next season, so you can complain about PJ's system even if we win.
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no choice wasn't a commit, but if you remember he was down to us and OK; and either way transferred which means he had to like the system and school. essentially...a recruit.

These players were all 4 star players. How can you say you question their bigtimeness?
Donley
Renfree
C. Jackson
Bebe Thomas

You think Peek woulda come here if we ran option? LOL he is #1 on the threatening to transfer list.
 
33jacket said:
I stand by the position that in the ACC we won't WIN like we want to WIN without bigtime recruits

ie we will win 7-8 games, but not 9-10 and titles. AND THAT is what its all about.
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So when have we had big time recruits and when have we won like we want? I don't see why we would have trouble getting RBs with PJs system. Wideouts may be more problematic, but if he really does open things up and uses the current guys that will change the perception of HS coaches and players.
 
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