dont let recruiting defections sour you on

[thwg]

Does it matter if we get "big-time" players or not if we just WIN?

Jeez - I've never seen a fanbase as destined for failure as ours.

I don't read a divide at all. I don't, though, understand your point. We are losing big-time recruits because of the offense he runs. He hasn't won a game yet. So, he needs to prove he can win even while losing the star recruits.

We know he is losing the recruits. If we win it won't matter that much but for almost every D1 school there is a direct correlation to recruitign and winning so your assumption seems a bit naive that he will just win with any type players.

 

[33jacket]

That's funny, Johnson's first signed recruit must qualify as a big time player if you have Peek, Roddy Jones, and BeBe on that list - he's ranked as high as those guys were on Rivals (highest three-star). Also, Choice was a transfer not a recruit - we actually mishandled his original recruitment and didn't get him.

Also, the majority of the guys that you listed are from the most recent recruiting class, or not even enrolled here (7/11), so that was one year of good effort. What about the other 5 years of effort?

Chan gailey sucked balls as a HC and a recruiter. That list has names from the prior 3 classes. Chan sucked so bad, that the first 3 I couldn't even get a name, hence why we sucked on the field. When we got a good recruit coord in; he was able to sell the good kids on the school; and our system was pro-style so we landed them.

I maintain if we don't run a balanced attack we will have difficulty maintaining high caliber recruits. FYI, Jaybo was ranked nicely on rivals but not scout. The players such as peek, bebe, roddy were ranked highly on both. Therefore, i don't think jaybo is there quality and his offer list shows it.

 

[cyclejacket]

I think we should recruit kids who can win big at NCAA Division 1 COLLEGE football. If they go onto the NFL that would be great. But I am more interested in recruiting kids who help us beat UGA and Clemson and FSU then I am in whether or not they play NFL ball or make some star list from Scout or Rivals. Heck, we had 8 members of the All-ACC this past year, but I sure didn't see those kinds of results on the field.

 

[beej67]

These players were all 4 star players. How can you say you question their bigtimeness?
Donley
Renfree
C. Jackson
Bebe Thomas

Renfree and Jackson haven't played a down in college, Bebe and Donley have hands made of wood and cinderblock, respectively.

Bebe and Donley especially don't worry me. If they're willing to transfer because Chan got fired, F em. Their failure to catch wide open passes was responsible for Chan getting fired, more than anyone else on the team.

Hell, for all I know, they could be transferring out of guilt.

 

[ParkinJacket]

I don't read a divide at all. I don't, though, understand your point. We are losing big-time recruits because of the offense he runs. He hasn't won a game yet. So, he needs to prove he can win even while losing the star recruits.

We know he is losing the recruits. If we win it won't matter that much but for almost every D1 school there is a direct correlation to recruitign and winning so your assumption seems a bit naive that he will just win with any type players.

The point is that there are people here calling themselves Tech fans that already hate the man before (as you have pointed out) he has even had an opportunity to win a game.

I make no such assumption that you are implying. The key is *give the man a chance*. The naivete here is not noticing the correlation between coaching changes and losing recruits.

My point stands. I don't understand why there is a vocal minority that is always at the ready to chop our coach off at the needs, because he doesn;t fit their very precise mold of what he should be.

 

[33jacket]

Renfree and Jackson haven't played a down in college, Bebe and Donley have hands made of wood and cinderblock, respectively.

Bebe and Donley especially don't worry me. If they're willing to transfer because Chan got fired, F em. Their failure to catch wide open passes was responsible for Chan getting fired, more than anyone else on the team.

Hell, for all I know, they could be transferring out of guilt.

bottom line.

I don't care about the gailey regime. He stunk up the joint. PJ needs to do better in all facets if GT wants to be that 10win BCS program we all want. There is not ONE, NOT ONE dynamic on this team that doesn't need improvement.

I have my concerns on his ability to improve recruiting.

I believe we need top recruits to compete nationally at a top level year in and year out.

I also believe he will have trouble getting top recruits (READ BETTER THAN GAILEY EVER DID) if he runs the pure TO offense.

I believe if he runs a balanced offense, he is THAT good a coach that we will win alot and we will get the top recruits GAILEY COULD NEVER DO WITH CONSISTENCY to make us a top tier program.

I am not satisfied with GT football today. It is mediocre and stuck in mudd. We aren't going to get out of it without great coaching (we have hired what potentially could be a great coach) and great talent (we need to improve here) to be what I desire (and what I think most GT fans would say they want), a top 15 national team on an annual basis.

Can we get there? Who knows, but I sure hope we can.

 

[knoxjacket]

I've got to laugh at the Peek thing as well. He committed to a school that has thrown to the Tight End, what, 3 times in the last 75 years? They don't call us Third Tackle U for nothing...

 

[clapper]

When we got a good recruit coord in; he was able to sell the good kids on the school; and our system was pro-style so we landed them.

Ummmm...if we have a good recruit coord (sic) and he is able to sell good kids on the school, it won't matter what kind of offense we run, because a good recruit coord (sic) will pursue the type of good kids that can run the kind of offense we implement. The balanced attack you say we require uses similar blocking assignments and strategies as the TO, so lineman shouldn't view it any differently. RBs and versatile QBs love it. And why exactly would you need a 5-star wideout, if all he's going to do is block and catch the occassional pass? It sounds more like we can free up a scholarship by not recruiting them.

 

[BeesballH1986]

I think we should recruit kids who can win big at NCAA Division 1 COLLEGE football. If they go onto the NFL that would be great. But I am more interested in recruiting kids who help us beat UGA and Clemson and FSU then I am in whether or not they play NFL ball or make some star list from Scout or Rivals. Heck, we had 8 members of the All-ACC this past year, but I sure didn't see those kinds of results on the field.

Good point. Hey, just for poots and chuckles, let's review the NFL career of the greatest player in GT football history:

2000-2002, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 1 game
2004, Indianapolis Colts: 1 game

That doesn't make me think any less of Joe Hamilton.

 

[33jacket]

Ummmm...if we have a good recruit coord (sic) and he is able to sell good kids on the school, it won't matter what kind of offense we run, because a good recruit coord (sic) will pursue the type of good kids that can run the kind of offense we implement. The balanced attack you say we require uses similar blocking assignments and strategies as the TO, so lineman shouldn't view it any differently. RBs and versatile QBs love it. And why exactly would you need a 5-star wideout, if all he's going to do is block and catch the occassional pass? It sounds more like we can free up a scholarship by not recruiting them.

don't kid yourself. The style of offense and defense you run is HUGE in a recruits mind. CJ coulda been a perfect WR in the TO or spread offense...he left for reasons including style of play.

The balance option attack will use some schemes the TO uses in blocking, but won't use the veer scheme that PJ tends to run. There are nuances...but OL wise its not that big a deal.

I want a 5 star WR, b/c I hope we run a more balanced attack and we get him the ball. I don't believe we can win via the TO running 80% of the time. I would LOVE to see an option offense with a 65/35 split or 60/40 split!

 

[33jacket]

So when have we had big time recruits and when have we won like we want? I don't see why we would have trouble getting RBs with PJs system. Wideouts may be more problematic, but if he really does open things up and uses the current guys that will change the perception of HS coaches and players.

we haven't had bigtime recruits consistently enough to win like I want. Oh...and our coach sucked. You are forgetting that small part (u know having a good coach)

and I agree and have said 1000x; if he runs a balanced option attack...my concerns go away.

 

[33jacket]

I think we should recruit kids who can win big at NCAA Division 1 COLLEGE football. If they go onto the NFL that would be great. But I am more interested in recruiting kids who help us beat UGA and Clemson and FSU then I am in whether or not they play NFL ball or make some star list from Scout or Rivals. Heck, we had 8 members of the All-ACC this past year, but I sure didn't see those kinds of results on the field.

oh i agree. But my point is recruits do look at systems and teams they think can help them prepare for the NFL.

its no shock that the highest ranked teams in D1A football the past 10 years, have the most NFL players and the highest recruiting classes. There is a correlation. Outside VT, there is not top 10 program the past ten years who has had recruiting classes not consistently in the top 20. Find them...if there is one...and let me know who it is (not being sarcastic, off the top of my head i can't think of one)

you didn't see results on the field? The Defense actually did play top 20 football. The offense WAS SO bad, it masked it. Take a look, you will notice the all acc players are Defense and sp teams....outside Choice who played well too.

 

[gtyellowjackets]

<<Outside VT, there is not top 10 program the past ten years who has had recruiting classes not consistently in the top 20. Find them...if there is one...and let me know who it is (not being sarcastic, off the top of my head i can't think of one)>>

WVU and Louisville have spent alot of time in the top 10 (in the last few eyars) without top 10 recruting classes

 

[33jacket]

<<Outside VT, there is not top 10 program the past ten years who has had recruiting classes not consistently in the top 20. Find them...if there is one...and let me know who it is (not being sarcastic, off the top of my head i can't think of one)>>

WVU and Louisville have spent alot of time in the top 10 (in the last few eyars) without top 10 recruting classes

no I said the past 10 years. 2 year wonders in a weak ass conf (where they were mid tier programs up until VT and Miami left and they joined the big E) are not consistent top 10-15 programs like I am referring to and wish GT to be. And I also didn't say top 10 recruiting classes. I said top 20. Don't put words in my mouth.

find a top tier program, the last 10 years that didn't have talent ranking them in the top 20 in recruiting?

I want GT to be a top tier program. So by reasonable deduction to be a consistent top tier program I would think you would need on average top 20 recruiting classes. This is where I hope PJ can improve GT among other issues. This, by the same token, is where I am concerned.

 

[JTS]

I was thinking that the sweet spot would be around a 2-to-1, run-to-pass ratio. WVU ran the ball 71% of the time. I have not heard anyone using that to hurt their recruiting.

What I envision is using the flexbone as our base formation to establish the run, but audibling into other sets. For example, we come out of the huddle line up in the flexbone the QB counts the number of LBs and we check into a 4-wide, shotgun formation. Uh oh, now your extra LB has to guard one of our WRs or you have 4 DBs guarding 4 WRs. But wait if you move your LB out of the box, you have 6 to defend Nesbit, Dwyer, and 5 O-linemen. Of course, we could just put a WR in motion and run TO out of 4-wide after all that as well.

The TO will also pacify opposing defenses by forcing them to think assignment football rather than just react. It will also makes opposing DCs leery of blitzing because the TO absolutely kills a blitzing defense (think Tenuta's D against WVU or Clemson 2 years ago) which makes pass coverages more predictable for the QB.

I think there are a lot of really exciting, fun things that we could see out of PJs offense.

 

[BuzzCzar]

find a top tier program, the last 10 years that didn't have talent ranking them in the top 20 in recruiting?

i have to think more to get one, but i have the counter case

teams in the top 20 in recruiting that havent smelled the top 10 in the last 5-10 years:
FSU
Miami
Penn State
Alabama

 

[33jacket]

i have to think more to get one, but i have the counter case

teams in the top 20 in recruiting that havent smelled the top 10 in the last 5-10 years:
FSU
Miami
Penn State
Alabama

the counter case does not disproove the original statement. It simply is a counter case

I never said if you have a top 20 recruiting class you are consistently at top 10-15 program; as coaching and other factors go into it.

I said there are no top 10-15 programs that are consistently not top 20 in recruiting...point is you need the players.

FYI; FSU despite the recent 3 year troubles over the past 10 still has unprecedented marks; so does miami. Miami won a nat title in the past 5 years and competed for two. FSU has won a nat title (2000?) and competed for 2 or 3. Both programs finished in the top 10 consistently in the late 90s and early 2000s

Bama and Penn St have been up and down.

 

[BuzzCzar]

Boise State has been hoving around in the top 15 since at least 2002, excepting one year, so they may qualify. but you willl likely dismiss them as some weak team in a weak conference... just like what people say about the ACC

 

[33jacket]

Boise State has been hoving around in the top 15 since at least 2002, excepting one year, so they may qualify. but you willl likely dismiss them as some weak team in a weak conference... just like what people say about the ACC

boise st would have 3 losses a year if they played in any BCS conf outside the Big east.

Its one thing to do it one game...its another to do it week in and week out. I feel the same for hawaii....to me texas tech is hawaii/boise st in a BCS conf.

And no, boise st would not be a program I would consider top tier. Same goes for louisville. They were 3 year wonders like WVU will prove to be.

I want GT to be like a Auburn, Tenn, etc etc. I don't expect them to be an OSU or USCw but I think we can at least be in that 10-15 range consistently; and I can't find a team that does that without having top 20 recruiting classes on avg.

 

[33jacket]

Buzzcar...here is a neat ranking ESPN did

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2947988

based on this....
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Boise st

could be three programs that made the top 15 (boise was 16) that didn't have classes consistently in the top 20. I have trouble considering Boise St even in this list, my opinion. I also don't believe Nebraska belongs in the top 15 considering recent performance, but they get credit for the late 90s and early 2000s.

Wisconsin...is legit...and doesn't really have any top 20 recruiting classes...so there is one school. Nebraska could be there too..but they did have top 20 classes...so not sure.

But definitely wisconsin. So 1 program was able to do it possibly 2. Not good odds for tech. 99 teams don't fall into the top 20 in recruiting avg for the last 10 years (simple math 119 D1A teams minus the 20 that are top 20 on avg). 1 was able to become a top 15 program in that timespan. Every other program in the top 15 on the espn list...has top 20 recruiting classes on avg.

that is a 1% chance

point is without the talent...its hard to do.