dont let recruiting defections sour you on

33jacket said:
FSU despite the recent 3 year troubles over the past 10 still has unprecedented marks...FSU has won a nat title (2000?) and competed for 2 or 3.
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i realize that my post doesnt disprove your point, and i would agree with you that to be an elite team you need good recruiting AND good coaching. i would also argue that QB recruiting rankings are especially important in an era of parity.

i do want to bring up FSU again, because it is AMAZING to me that they have done so poorly compared to the 'level of talent' that they are able to recruit.

here are the years 2002 - now:

Year AP finish Recruiting rank
2002 21 4
2003 11 21
2004 15 3
2005 23 2
2006 UR 3
2007 UR (current) 21 (current - this will likely change significantly as FSU pulls blue-chippers at the end of the recruiting period)

to me, it is amazing that FSU has 1 top 10 finish since 2002, and two Unranked seasons while pulling in 4 classes in the top 5!
 
33jacket said:
So 1 program was able to do it possibly 2. Not good odds for tech.
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not to mention that Wisconsin is not in a recruiting 'basin' where a bunch of other schools come and look, so ratings likely are a bit naturally depressed on recruits in those areas (not a lot of interest, not a lot of publicity). i mean how many guys that have been playing FB in cheese land are you gonna pull out to have them play for a regional rival.

at GT, we have to deal with the raiders to our natural turf all year long. AU, FL, FSU, UGA, AL, TENN, Clemson, etc etc NEED atlanta/georgia recruits to be successful, so even harder for Tech

but, of course i want what you want...it is harder when you ask your athletes to study and learn.. regrettably
 
33jacket said:
I don't believe we can win via the TO running 80% of the time. I would LOVE to see an option offense with a 65/35 split or 60/40 split!
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Well, that pretty much makes everything you've said in this thread a total waste of everyone's time considering that in his press conference CPJ said we could expect him to pass 30%-40% of the time.

Perhaps if you had been a little more excited about the fact that CPJ is PLANNING to run a more balanced attack, instead of bemoaning the fact that he won't despite his assurances, CJ might still be one of our commitments. Unfortunately, he likely changed his mind after reading that you called our coach a liar.
 
clapper said:
Well, that pretty much makes everything you've said in this thread a total waste of everyone's time considering that in his press conference CPJ said we could expect him to pass 30%-40% of the time.

Perhaps if you had been a little more excited about the fact that CPJ is PLANNING to run a more balanced attack, instead of bemoaning the fact that he won't despite his assurances, CJ might still be one of our commitments. Unfortunately, he likely changed his mind after reading that you called our coach a liar.
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LOL...your not one of those are you?
 
I want a 5 star WR
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And I want a pony.

How many 5 star WRs have we ever had at Tech? One? And he came here why? The academics?

Yeah, I'm done with this silly conversation.

Tech is not, and never has been, able to compete for blue chip 5 star players to stack our roster with, so building ourselves around an offensive scheme that relies on having blue chip 5 star players is DUMB, and doomed to land you solidly in the 7-5 record column.
 
beej67 said:
And I want a pony.

How many 5 star WRs have we ever had at Tech? One? And he came here why? The academics?

Yeah, I'm done with this silly conversation.

Tech is not, and never has been, able to compete for blue chip 5 star players to stack our roster with, so building ourselves around an offensive scheme that relies on having blue chip 5 star players is DUMB, and doomed to land you solidly in the 7-5 record column.
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Are you sure he was a 5, methinks he was a 4
 
beej67 said:
And I want a pony.

How many 5 star WRs have we ever had at Tech? One? And he came here why? The academics?

Yeah, I'm done with this silly conversation.

Tech is not, and never has been, able to compete for blue chip 5 star players to stack our roster with, so building ourselves around an offensive scheme that relies on having blue chip 5 star players is DUMB, and doomed to land you solidly in the 7-5 record column.
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Exactly.

And CJ was a five on one site and dropped to a four on the other after he chose us over UGA. That service should be ridiculed.
 
When you choose to fire your coach you should expect the possible loss of verbal commitments. It doesn't matter who we hired - changing coaching staffs from the one that recruited these verbal commits makes them fair game for new recruiting pitches. Do you think if we had hired Muschamp, Neuheisel, or Hatcher instead of Paul Johnson that other schools would have given us a pass on going after our most talented verbal commitments?

And, I am sure that coaching rivals will recruit against us by saying going to Tech will be a detriment to an NFL career. Guess what, they already say that going to Tech is a detriment to an NFL career because of the academic requirements and workload.

I was not in favor of firing Coach Gailey and Paul Johnson was not my preferred choice. But, he's my coach now and I imagine I'll be backing him long after many Tech fans are "tired of his mediocrity". Let's understand that the loss of some offensive recruits is entirely prdictable and give the new staff a chance to see what they can do.

The first year Vince and Erk and the Dawgs tried to stop Tech running an option attack was the icy day in Athens when we prevailed 34-14. Let's look forward to that!
 
beej67 said:
And I want a pony.

How many 5 star WRs have we ever had at Tech? One? And he came here why? The academics?

Yeah, I'm done with this silly conversation.

Tech is not, and never has been, able to compete for blue chip 5 star players to stack our roster with, so building ourselves around an offensive scheme that relies on having blue chip 5 star players is DUMB, and doomed to land you solidly in the 7-5 record column.
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you are one of those. B/c its always that way...it must mean it never can be.

I am not delusional and think every player is going to be 4-5 star

my delusions are being consistently ranked in the top 20-25 in recruiting. If you don't think we can do that consistently; then that is sad.
 
33jacket said:
you are one of those. B/c its always that way...it must mean it never can be.

I am not delusional and think every player is going to be 4-5 star

my delusions are being consistently ranked in the top 20-25 in recruiting. If you don't think we can do that consistently; then that is sad.
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33 jacket, what is the latest on Van Gorder
 
BuzzCzar said:
Boise State has been hoving around in the top 15 since at least 2002, excepting one year, so they may qualify. but you willl likely dismiss them as some weak team in a weak conference... just like what people say about the ACC
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Boise state has been top 15 one time in those years you mention.
 
33, do you seriously think PJ is going to run the Triple Option as we know it from Navy?

Because if so, you're being silly. He'll probably run more of a spread which will render this whole thread moot.
 
Bottom line: If you are upset at our coaching choice because we lost a WR, then you are in fact... a pussy.
 
I am not nervous at all ... I wish we could have kept everyone, but most schools lose recruits with a coaching change. In exchange, we have a great coach who practically eveyone in the country has praised. We will withstand this short transitional period and be fine.
 
Let me recap, thwg says Calvin was 5 by every recruiting service known to man when Rivals still has his 4 rating in stone. And then says Boise was top 15 only once when they have been top 16 the last four years.

33 seems obsessed with PJ's run pass ratio at GT being too low. Wishes PJ would pass 30% or so. Still is ranting even though PJ says he'll pass 30 to 40% of the time and this was pointed out pages ago.

BOR tactfully explains that transfers are spilt milk you friggin crybabies...

Fun.
 
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