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UGA fans were as obsessed with the game after three consecutive losses as we were after seven.
Give me a seven year streak of GT wins and maybe it won't feel like it matters as much.;)
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UGA fans were as obsessed with the game after three consecutive losses as we were after seven.
Give me a seven year streak of GT wins and maybe it won't feel like it matters as much.;)
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Then what's wrong with beating them in a forum that would receive much more attention than 3:30 on Thanksgiving Saturday (which, based upon recent history, nothing has been on the line for 1 or both teams - EDIT:from an outsider's perspective)? How focused would our team be during the spring and fall knowing that UGA is first up on the schedule (I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take 4 games to get the offense going like this year).
And the attendance should be 50/50 in the Dome - the only people to blame would be our own fans for selling to UGA fans. Selling 25-30k tickets to our fanbase won't be a problem - what they do with them afterwards will.
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That's because the other 11 dates come BEFORE the Georgia game. How exciting was it to play in the ACC championship and Gator Bowl after losing that heartbreaker in Athens?
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PROS:
1. More TV exposure. Primetime broadcast guaranteed on ABC for opening weekend of Labor Day weekend 2011.
2. $2.3 million dollars. (Amount paid to Bama/VT this year for playing in the Kickoff game this year. Figure will probably rise by 2011).
3. Keeping other ACC & SEC teams out of the game/Atlanta area for recruiting purposes.
4. GameDay - ESPN will bring their road show to Atlanta. More national exposure from the World Wide Leader. Exposing the GT/UGA rivalry to more fans nationwide.
CONS:
1. Loss of tradition for one season. (However, we won't be losing one game at BDS. Just taking a one year hiatus from the "home and home" campus series. 2011 at Dome, 2012 game would be at BDS, 2013 at Sanford)
2. Tailgating at the Dome is less then stellar.
3. Game is probably more expensive for fans at the Dome (tickets/parking/concessions) vs. Bobby Dodd Stadium.
4. More UGA fans in the crowd at Dome. (Likely to have more red in the stands, even if tickets are split 50/50).
1. More TV exposure. Primetime broadcast guaranteed on ABC for opening weekend of Labor Day weekend 2011.
2. $2.3 million dollars. (Amount paid to Bama/VT this year for playing in the Kickoff game this year. Figure will probably rise by 2011).
3. Keeping other ACC & SEC teams out of the game/Atlanta area for recruiting purposes.
4. GameDay - ESPN will bring their road show to Atlanta. More national exposure from the World Wide Leader. Exposing the GT/UGA rivalry to more fans nationwide.
CONS:
1. Loss of tradition for one season. (However, we won't be losing one game at BDS. Just taking a one year hiatus from the "home and home" campus series. 2011 at Dome, 2012 game would be at BDS, 2013 at Sanford)
2. Tailgating at the Dome is less then stellar.
3. Game is probably more expensive for fans at the Dome (tickets/parking/concessions) vs. Bobby Dodd Stadium.
4. More UGA fans in the crowd at Dome. (Likely to have more red in the stands, even if tickets are split 50/50).
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If we would have beated Wake that day in rainy Jacksonville to qualify for our first Orange Bowl since 1966, I think it's safe to say it would have been pretty exciting.
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Ah, but that kinda proves the point. Winning WOULD have been exciting IF we had been able to get up for that game AFTER the loss.
I would argue the two losses are related.
I can't imagine us winnin and ACC championship and losing to UGA in the same year. In theory it could happen, but I don't see it.
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But not blood related. Related by marriage...to Pat Nix.
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We won 8 in a row agains them in the 40s and 50s. Since that streak, we have won 15 and they have won 37.
We have lost 71% of those games.
Of course we feel inferior. Of course we want to change that.
We want and need to beat them, at least more than we have. They are for the most part an excellent program. If we aim to be as good as them or better, other goals will fall into place as well.
What's wrong with caring a lot about pounding the puppies?
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Because what I see is fear of losing to them, not caring about beating them.
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"Should be" doesn't matter.
The facts are these. If we do a GT/UGA in the dome, it will be a home game for UGA. It will be 70/30 them or worse. They will have 25+ consecutive bye weeks to practice against our style of play.
Bye weeks and home field advantage are REAL THINGS that have REAL IMPACT on the scoreboard. Bookies usually give 3 points to the home team. Sagarin tracks homefield advantage, and ususally rates it at about 3 points. Playing UGA in the dome at the beginning of the year compounds this. Bookies would move the line probably around 6 points to compensate for these advantages.
6 points.
We'd be selling UGA 6 points.
I'm like Allen, but from a more rational approach. GT will never receive the media attention UGA gets, but we can catch them if we win games, because that's the only thing we can control. Winning games.
This move means only one thing with regard to beating Georgia. It spots them about 6 points.
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Those two things are not mutually exclusive though. Of course you have some "fear" or at least concern that you'll lose your rivalry game, especially as a fan, since fans have little or no control of the outcome. But I don't think "fear" is a factor in the rivalry. Sure as hell wasn't last year. Well, maybe for their defense.:biggthumpup:
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I know there's no guarantee that any coach from either team will be in place for the 2011 season but I'll take CPJ and 25 bye weeks over CWM + 6 points. Every day.
And I'm with Coldbeer 60-40 at worst.
If you are saying it spots them 6 points due them being at "home" (-3) and the 3 extra points we would have been favored by if we were playing a non-UGA team at BDS, then I agree.
But, we are not giving up a home game against UGA, just delaying it. So yes, we lose 6 points in 2011, but then in 2012 we gain 6 points (the game would have been in Athens, moved to BDS), the next year we lose 6 again, etc. Now maybe you think we will not be as good in 2011 as in 2012. In that case, then moving the game might make a difference.
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This is an absolutely RIDICULOUS way to look at it. What happens beyond 2011 is no different (scheduling aside). That is independent of the 2011 game and should not be mentioned in debate.
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Mr. Hammer... please meet Mr. Nail.
Bobby Dodd said in Dodd's Luck that he would feel good to beat Georgia 1 out of 3 times. They just simply have too many advantages over us.
I'm not accepting that... just stating what the most successful coach in our program's history said.
An interesting question will be about how tickets are distributed.
- The Dome seats 72,000
- According to this AJC article in May (LINK), Tech was hoping to sell 30,000 season tickets (assume we did, including student tickets)
- Assume that all of them were sold to Tech fans - yes, unlikely).
- Chick-fil-A, the Dome, other sponsors will get at least 4,000 seats, so each school gets 34,000 seats
- Sanford holds 92,000--assume 80,000 go to UGA fans
- UGA will have 46,000 fans that normally go to games unable to get tickets
Therefore, we know UGA fans will be trying to buy a lot of our season tickets. They're going to outnumber us, and instead of fighting it, we should capitalize on it. Tech should institute a fee for any first time season ticket holder (with the exception of any students who have graduated from Tech in the last two years). I don't know what the fee should be, but I'm thinking it should be at least $100 (more?). Assuming that UGA fans buy 5,000 of our season tickets, we are looking at an additional $500,000, not including the revenue from 5,000*the price of season tickets. Thoughts?
I see, I think I misread what Beej67 was saying.
Beej, are you saying they get 3 points because it is like a home game and 3 points due to the 25 weeks off? We also have 25 weeks off, so I don't think UGA would get the 3 points (now bettors may treat a bye before us differently due to our offense). If this is where you got the 6 points from then I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
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Here is what he's saying.
If the game is at BDS and the teams are even, you're looking at GT (-3) over UGA because the game is at BDS.
The game at the Dome is (in beej's opinion) a home game for UGA due to increased fans for them. This negates the (-3) for GT. It moves to UGA (-3) over GT.
This is a six point swing.
You have gone from GT (-3) to GT (+3)
Okay, I understand that. But look at it this way:
With 2011 Game at BDS
2008 - GT +3
2009 - GT -3
2010 - GT +3
2011 - GT -3
2012 - GT +3
Tech +3
With 2011 Game at Dome
2008 - GT +3
2009 - GT -3
2010 - GT +3
2011 - GT +3
2012 - GT -3
Tech +3
Basically, we are just giving them one year of interest free points. Of course our chances to win in 2011 go down because of this, but our chances to win in 2012 go up. So I just don't understand why this is a big deal. (I understand why the move is a big deal, but I don't understand why this reason is the upsetting one.)
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No, I'm saying the combination of factors involved with a 2011 opener in the dome, those being:
1) UGA home crowd
2) 25 bye weeks to prep for our offense
3) Rookie Tech QB in his first collegiate start
4) LOTS of turnover on offense
5) Media frenzy
6) Tech has never ever won in the dome
etc
All add up to +6 for a 2011 opener. At least. We can argue about the number, but not the concept. If you don't agree that they add up to +Something then you're freaking dumb. And I see absolutely no reason to give Georgia +Something.
All our goals as a program must be obtained through one thing, beating Georgia. Better recruiting comes from beating Georgia. Better media coverage comes from beating Georgia. More ticket sales come from beating Georgia. Like it or not, absolutely every goal we have as a program flows through beating Georgia. In light of that, I can see no reasonable excuse for giving Georgia an advantage in a football game.
If you don't like that all our goals as a program must go through beating Georgia, then tough. That's unfortunately the row we have to hoe, so lets quit giving them points.
I don't like that all our goals flow through beating Georgia. But at least I'll admit it, and realize it, and understand what the path to success is.
1) UGA home crowd
2) 25 bye weeks to prep for our offense
3) Rookie Tech QB in his first collegiate start
4) LOTS of turnover on offense
5) Media frenzy
6) Tech has never ever won in the dome
etc
All add up to +6 for a 2011 opener. At least. We can argue about the number, but not the concept. If you don't agree that they add up to +Something then you're freaking dumb. And I see absolutely no reason to give Georgia +Something.
All our goals as a program must be obtained through one thing, beating Georgia. Better recruiting comes from beating Georgia. Better media coverage comes from beating Georgia. More ticket sales come from beating Georgia. Like it or not, absolutely every goal we have as a program flows through beating Georgia. In light of that, I can see no reasonable excuse for giving Georgia an advantage in a football game.
If you don't like that all our goals as a program must go through beating Georgia, then tough. That's unfortunately the row we have to hoe, so lets quit giving them points.
I don't like that all our goals flow through beating Georgia. But at least I'll admit it, and realize it, and understand what the path to success is.