Excitement is building

Liberty said:
Fish rots from the head down. The problem is & has been at the top. The bottom is rock solid most of the time.
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The bottom has not been rock solid for the last 3 years. Our foundation has been built on sinking sand. These new coaches are the rock we need.
 
GTWannaBee said:
The bottom has not been rock solid for the last 3 years. Our foundation has been built on sinking sand. These new coaches are the rock we need.
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We're probably in violent disagreement about this but here's my premise:

a. We started transitioning the program from 2019- here's our starting points (ranks in reverse order from 2018 to 2014):
* Offensive ranks avg 30: 19, 23, 29, 78, 2
* Defensive ranks avg 64: 102, 47, 66, 48, 58

b. Our HC, several layers down from the head of the fish but has enough power he's obviously significantly influential & has great discretion over the plan (he does not own resourcing and eradicating institutional constraints). He's a defensive expert and he's looking at the scenario above- has a great run game, OL designed to run the ball as good as many Top 10 teams but cannot pass, a defense that's got more holes than swiss cheese and is damn near at the bottom of P5. He's got choices, should he decide:
Option 1: Overhaul the offense immediately abaonding my strength so I have 2 weak areas. Have players run plays they're not suited for?
Option 2: Transition from heavy running to less running & put my talents where the team is ailing the worst. Give myself some time to recruit and develop the biguns for the OL and a capable passign QB. Incrementally increase passign as we become proficient.
Option 3: Leave the defense alone while I fix the offense and take on a major overhaul. Continue to suck at historic levels which jeopardize my ability to win
Option 4: Attack the defense and leave the offense alone. Use my immense talentst to shore that up as I recruit and develop the defense I want.
Option 5: Take them both on simultaneously, causing major disruptions across the entire enterprise reslting in chaos on both sides of the ball that need to be managed at the same time, even in the middle of games

Collins chose Option 5. The fish head bought in hook, line and sinker. Bad choice, only an inexperienced rookie that's over his head makes. Maybe nearly 4 years on the job he has learned? We'll see, but he's bought himself a bunch of badwill that is very hard to overcome. It's extremely easy to lose customers (fans), it's really hard to win them back and recruit new ones.

We're now entering phase 2 of the Collins experiment. The difference is instead of the above, we're atrocious in BOTH offense and defense. We've attacked the offense with coaches & that may likely help. Defense not so much. We probably deserve another 3-9 season, but the ACC is extraoridinarily weak and these new coaches may give us enough fire power to knock off the weak sisters of the ACC on a regular basis.

My overall assessment: We've got the Jim Donnan of GT Football, not quite Lewis as he destroyed the locker room, but much like Donnan we'll do less with more until we get tired of it. His best play is to get out of the way of the coaches he's hired, continue to build the staff under him, give up game day preps- strtaegy-execution, focus solely on media and fundraising & recruiting. Leave the football to the experts. I hope that's what's happening, hence my excitment.
 
Liberty said:
My overall assessment: We've got the Jim Donnan of GT Football, not quite Lewis as he destroyed the locker room, but much like Donnan we'll do less with more until we get tired of it. His best play is to get out of the way of the coaches he's hired, continue to build the staff under him, give up game day preps- strtaegy-execution, focus solely on media and fundraising & recruiting. Leave the football to the experts. I hope that's what's happening, hence my excitment.
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Similar to how I feel....Collins used up any good will from me. I hope he is intelligent enough to let Long and Weinke run the offense.
I will always be a Tech fanatic and can't help but look forward to being at Bobby Dodd with a flask in my pocket.
Maybe this will be the year I eat some crow kabobs about Collins.
 
Liberty said:
We're probably in violent disagreement about this but here's my premise:

a. We started transitioning the program from 2019- here's our starting points (ranks in reverse order from 2018 to 2014):
* Offensive ranks avg 30: 19, 23, 29, 78, 2
* Defensive ranks avg 64: 102, 47, 66, 48, 58

b. Our HC, several layers down from the head of the fish but has enough power he's obviously significantly influential & has great discretion over the plan (he does not own resourcing and eradicating institutional constraints). He's a defensive expert and he's looking at the scenario above- has a great run game, OL designed to run the ball as good as many Top 10 teams but cannot pass, a defense that's got more holes than swiss cheese and is damn near at the bottom of P5. He's got choices, should he decide:
Option 1: Overhaul the offense immediately abaonding my strength so I have 2 weak areas. Have players run plays they're not suited for?
Option 2: Transition from heavy running to less running & put my talents where the team is ailing the worst. Give myself some time to recruit and develop the biguns for the OL and a capable passign QB. Incrementally increase passign as we become proficient.
Option 3: Leave the defense alone while I fix the offense and take on a major overhaul. Continue to suck at historic levels which jeopardize my ability to win
Option 4: Attack the defense and leave the offense alone. Use my immense talentst to shore that up as I recruit and develop the defense I want.
Option 5: Take them both on simultaneously, causing major disruptions across the entire enterprise reslting in chaos on both sides of the ball that need to be managed at the same time, even in the middle of games

Collins chose Option 5. The fish head bought in hook, line and sinker. Bad choice, only an inexperienced rookie that's over his head makes. Maybe nearly 4 years on the job he has learned? We'll see, but he's bought himself a bunch of badwill that is very hard to overcome. It's extremely easy to lose customers (fans), it's really hard to win them back and recruit new ones.

We're now entering phase 2 of the Collins experiment. The difference is instead of the above, we're atrocious in BOTH offense and defense. We've attacked the offense with coaches & that may likely help. Defense not so much. We probably deserve another 3-9 season, but the ACC is extraoridinarily weak and these new coaches may give us enough fire power to knock off the weak sisters of the ACC on a regular basis.

My overall assessment: We've got the Jim Donnan of GT Football, not quite Lewis as he destroyed the locker room, but much like Donnan we'll do less with more until we get tired of it. His best play is to get out of the way of the coaches he's hired, continue to build the staff under him, give up game day preps- strtaegy-execution, focus solely on media and fundraising & recruiting. Leave the football to the experts. I hope that's what's happening, hence my excitment.
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One can’t say @Liberty doesn’t care about Tech football.
:deadhorse: Gooff Collins is a joke. 3-9.
 
FHstinger said:
One can’t say @Liberty doesn’t care about Tech football.
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I’m there every game I’ve been within 500 miles of from start to finish and have been for going on my 5th decade. I wish I could have played on The Flats, I just didn’t have the measurables with respect to height and weight. I never did grow any more, but I’m now at weight and as big if not bigger than Dwyer. Traded weight for speed, if I had a lot of both back in the day I may have made it.

Those kids out there playing for us have my utmost respect. They are great GT men!
 
Liberty said:
We're probably in violent disagreement about this but here's my premise:

a. We started transitioning the program from 2019- here's our starting points (ranks in reverse order from 2018 to 2014):
* Offensive ranks avg 30: 19, 23, 29, 78, 2
* Defensive ranks avg 64: 102, 47, 66, 48, 58

b. Our HC, several layers down from the head of the fish but has enough power he's obviously significantly influential & has great discretion over the plan (he does not own resourcing and eradicating institutional constraints). He's a defensive expert and he's looking at the scenario above- has a great run game, OL designed to run the ball as good as many Top 10 teams but cannot pass, a defense that's got more holes than swiss cheese and is damn near at the bottom of P5. He's got choices, should he decide:
Option 1: Overhaul the offense immediately abaonding my strength so I have 2 weak areas. Have players run plays they're not suited for?
Option 2: Transition from heavy running to less running & put my talents where the team is ailing the worst. Give myself some time to recruit and develop the biguns for the OL and a capable passign QB. Incrementally increase passign as we become proficient.
Option 3: Leave the defense alone while I fix the offense and take on a major overhaul. Continue to suck at historic levels which jeopardize my ability to win
Option 4: Attack the defense and leave the offense alone. Use my immense talentst to shore that up as I recruit and develop the defense I want.
Option 5: Take them both on simultaneously, causing major disruptions across the entire enterprise reslting in chaos on both sides of the ball that need to be managed at the same time, even in the middle of games

Collins chose Option 5. The fish head bought in hook, line and sinker. Bad choice, only an inexperienced rookie that's over his head makes. Maybe nearly 4 years on the job he has learned? We'll see, but he's bought himself a bunch of badwill that is very hard to overcome. It's extremely easy to lose customers (fans), it's really hard to win them back and recruit new ones.

We're now entering phase 2 of the Collins experiment. The difference is instead of the above, we're atrocious in BOTH offense and defense. We've attacked the offense with coaches & that may likely help. Defense not so much. We probably deserve another 3-9 season, but the ACC is extraoridinarily weak and these new coaches may give us enough fire power to knock off the weak sisters of the ACC on a regular basis.

My overall assessment: We've got the Jim Donnan of GT Football, not quite Lewis as he destroyed the locker room, but much like Donnan we'll do less with more until we get tired of it. His best play is to get out of the way of the coaches he's hired, continue to build the staff under him, give up game day preps- strtaegy-execution, focus solely on media and fundraising & recruiting. Leave the football to the experts. I hope that's what's happening, hence my excitment.
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I wouldn’t say violent disagreement. I have respect for you as it’s clear you actually care about Tech and aren’t simply throwing trash on every thread.

i think it was more of a factor of hiring bargain basement coordinators and a “rip the bandaid off” approach to the transition (which many on here agreed with). He focused on the offense - which I do think was a mistake - instead of fixing our clearly inferior defense. At the same time, you may be right in your assessment.

My gold colored glasses tell me this is the year we see a drastic improvement on Grant Field.
 
Were the "bargain basement coordinators" a decision by Collins to hire his friends or was it a short sighted decision by TStan to save money?
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
Were the "bargain basement coordinators" a decision by Collins to hire his friends or was it a short sighted decision by TStan to save money?
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That is a great question. I’m guessing it was to save money with the expectation that we would upgrade in a few years. But that’s pure speculation. It could just as easily be Collins thought his friends could be successful at Tech.
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
Were the "bargain basement coordinators" a decision by Collins to hire his friends or was it a short sighted decision by TStan to save money?
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It's why I don't place 100% of the blame on Collins. He owns his own misdeeds, mistakes, his own incompetence, poor strategy, tunnel vision, etc but it's not like he's the owner and is 100% responsible for everything he does. We do have an AD in Stansbury and his boss Cabrera as President of the GTAA Board of Trustees. They've either been real happy with what he's been doing or have stood idly by as the ship sinks. Hard to imagine they're blind to what's going on, is that even possible? That was what I meant by the fish rotting from the head down. Cabrera and Stansbury, Peterson and Stansbury, Peterson and Sasquatch, Peterson and Drad, Clough and Drad, Clough and Braineless. A lot of bad fish combinations in there. They all made decisions along the way or failed to act appropriately which set the stage for what has transpired under Collins.
 
Liberty said:
Cabrera and Stansbury, Peterson and Stansbury, Peterson and Sasquatch, Peterson and Drad, Clough and Drad, Clough and Braineless. A lot of bad fish combinations in there.
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That's a lot of combos, could be it is hard to make this öööö work.
 
At least Long has a decent track record.
When it comes to Weinke, I look at Jarrett Guarantano's stats from before he became his QB coach and then what they were under Weinke.

I wonder too that some of the guys who needed to slim down, were they then served egg white omelets for breakfast instead as a means for cutting their weight?
(yeah, that's a call back. Let's put your knowledge of all things esoteric Tech to the test with that one)
 
Liberty said:
It's why I don't place 100% of the blame on Collins. He owns his own misdeeds, mistakes, his own incompetence, poor strategy, tunnel vision, etc but it's not like he's the owner and is 100% responsible for everything he does. We do have an AD in Stansbury and his boss Cabrera as President of the GTAA Board of Trustees. They've either been real happy with what he's been doing or have stood idly by as the ship sinks. Hard to imagine they're blind to what's going on, is that even possible? That was what I meant by the fish rotting from the head down. Cabrera and Stansbury, Peterson and Stansbury, Peterson and Sasquatch, Peterson and Drad, Clough and Drad, Clough and Braineless. A lot of bad fish combinations in there. They all made decisions along the way or failed to act appropriately which set the stage for what has transpired under Collins.
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Hiring Collins was Peterson and Stansbury's call.
That was the extent of the search committee.
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
The same Peterson that turned down the Big 10.
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Outside of the casual GT academic or sports events, I was in the presence of Peterson 3 times. First time he got absolutely slaughtered by the alums as we were still pissed about Chan and Hewitt along with the ill-conceived Bobby Dood plans- expanding the north upper deck. Second time he got lambasted because Sasquatch was nonexistent, basketball was in the tank and he basically got pummeled with questions about whether we had given up on competitive major P5 sports due to lack of investment along with policies on the Hill that were/still are antagonistic to GT prospective and athletes. Recruiting was just starting to become a sport in its own and GT was severely lacking also. Third time he got crucified over the treatment by the NCAA and again underinvestment in GT athletics. Basketball was actually more a focus than football at that encounter as we didn't have a home and Gregory was worse than Hewitt.

Peterson was probably the most damaging President to GT sports since Petit. You can argue which one was worse- the one that stood by as the landscape rapidly evolved and ignored it or the one that wanted to kill GT sports altogether.

Met with Clough once, there were about 10-12 of us. He thought the dinner was going to be all about GT academics. Within 15 mins, the conversation was dominated by football and basketball questions. GT Presidents are tone deaf when it comes to GT sports despite their positions. It's immense responsibilities running an elite technological institute and research powerhouse. Who else has to do that staffed like GT is? We're just not resourcing athletics with people and money, plain and simple. And we haven't seemed to care.

Cabrera may be or could have been the guy that breaks the mold but I think he's come to the game way too late & he may not get educated quickly enough to make the right calls as we stand here at the fork in the road. Peterson really, really screwed him over big time.

That's my cut- we can turn the page but this is now going to be a bottom up rebuild instead of a top down one because we let the foundation rot the last 3 years instead of building a house up around it.
 
I’m fried about where we are also, but 80 pct of these posts are backwards looking. If i wanted tech history lessons I could take a class or remember on my own. (Using the parts not blurred by blantons). I’ve lived it. Blame really doesn’t matter at this point. We are here.

that said I get it. We’re in the eleventh stage of recovery, which is remorse, self flagellation and drinking heavily. And technically we are still in the off season. But do know Peterson isn’t the reason we line up with 10 on special teams or can’t get a play off on third down without a time out. We have to own that on the staff.

me, I’m praying we garner 3 or less…or 7 or more wins this year. Force a Fn decision. I don’t want the debate or hesitancy that will come with 4 or 5 wins in a changing cfb landscape, knowing our penchant for bargain basement financial decisions. It’s reason 13 as to why I drink.
 
originalwombat said:
What a BS axiom.
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Name me one elite organization that has completely ineffective leadership at the top over a sustained period of time.

moochie said:
But do know Peterson isn’t the reason we line up with 10 on special teams or can’t get a play off on third down without a time out. We have to own that on the staff.
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It's why I stated Collins "... owns his own misdeeds, mistakes, his own incompetence, poor strategy, tunnel vision, etc". The bad coaching, choking during games, lack of discipline, inability to get plays called in, etc is all on him.
 
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