Gailey says "I'm going to be in control"

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BB-very funny 'bout the trainee hat. What do u think about the 4 Gailey mentioned as "really stepping up" this past Spring?
GTnut-good guess about Brezina & Reis, but they haven't cracked the starting lineup yet. Others have 'stepped up' enough to hold them out. Reis also got accolades about hitting, but was said to be out of position occasionally. He won't play much outside STs unless there's an injury @ S, then he will become integral.
Driver-we'll have to see how the season plays out. Upsets happen every weekend. Nobody, & I mean nobody, expected Maryland to be 10-1, win ACC & play in Orange Bowl 2 seasons ago. Or Illinois to win Big 10 & play in Sugar Bowl same yr. Or Iowa to be 10-1, share the Big10 & play in Orange Bowl last season. Weird stuff happens in college ball.
 
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Actually, the McD's hat and mouse in your pocket posts were funny! THWG
 
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Driver8, you really have a defeatist attitude towards things don't you. Let's look at a couple of your comments.

"After the great strides Coach O'Leary made with our on field performance and in-state recruiting"...fair enough. O'Leary did a great job of bringing the program back and getting the attention of in-state players. Unfortunately he didn't get many of them through school. Our grad rate is at the bottom of the conference, and it's not because guys are going pro. Whether you care or not, continuing that performance will do a couple of things. 1) HS coaches will stop sending kids to Tech. Not that they make decisions for them, but they will be very careful of what they say to kids if they come to think we're just going to use them and toss them aside. 2) We will be in serious NCAA trouble when the new standards are fully in place. We will lose scholarships due to grad rates (check out the NCAA site if you're interested).

"we turn our back on 11 players and bring more shame on the program"...I'm not sure we turned our backs, but I would agree that the support system failed these kids. For some it may be as simple as the coaches not being allowed to know about attendance issues. For others though it appears the problems were several years in the making. For instance, it sounds like THollings problem was as much about what courses he had taken up til now as his performance. That means the system under O'Leary allowed players to take all electives or courses designed to keep them eligible but would not provide enough progress towards their degree to stay eligible. Can you say Joe Burns? See the previous paragraph for where that will lead. We have improve in this area and Braine allowing the coaches back into the process is a positive step.

"Our rivals are laughing so hard at us,...it makes me sick." I guess that depends on who you count as rivals. If you're talking about Ugag I feel for you. Personally I haven't care about what Ugag fans think or do since I was about 20. If you're talking about the rest of the ACC, funny I haven't heard any laughing. Living in the middle of ACC country their attitude is primarily that we're a little down right now, but that we haven't gone away.

As for your comments on the QB position, I believe he knew coming out of spring camp that we were in trouble at QB. What the coaches tried to do last year was go with the guy who they could at least predict somewhat what they could expect. Bilbo through his own admission wasn't ready (and as he showed in his play). Suggs is not the answer but was serviceable in most games and actually pretty good in a few. FYI, that's a reason QB was so high on our wish list in recruiting this past year. My prediction is that if Bilbo doesn't win the job this year he will transfer because he'll never get another shot. If Suggs plays it's because the frosh just aren't ready.

BTW, everybody on this board was disgusted by the Ugag game last year. Reposting the score over and over isn't helping you make your point. I was also disgusted by the bowl game. As bad as we played (especially Suggs) we should have won it anyway. Looked almost exactly like the 2000 Peach Bowl to me.

But you still haven't answered my question. If we have a good year will you shut up then? Or will we be seeing your negative posts after every win?
 
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Just an observation, in reading this thread it became abundantly obvious to me that there are 2 strong factions. First, pro Gailey defend him at all cost and second, anti Gailey he is absoulutely the wrong guy to be the Ga. Tech Head Football Coach.

On the pro Gailey side, one dominant trait are the Christians, many who have bible references or self scripted God related sayings as their by lines. No doubt Gailey's profession of his faith have formed a bond for those with similar beliefs. The bond appears so strong that many will go to any length to defend Gailey regardless of the circumstance and border on hatred for anyone who questions Gailey's qualifications or fitness for duty.

On the anti-Gailey group there seem to be many who have seen enough to tell them he is not the man for the job. They give no credence to Gailey's resume nor his being a good man. They want results and accountability regardless of the character of the man involved. The post Gailey era can not come quick enough for them.

I'm sure the vast majority of Tech fans are somewhere in the middle, concerned about what is happening but hoping for the best.

My Dad told me a long time ago to never discuss, religion, politics or sex. So I apologize to anyone in advance I may have offended with my observations. I share them only to note the how obvious both camps agenda appear to me.

Go Jackets!
 
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Jerry the Jacket, I think you're right. Most of us don't know if Gailey is the right man for the job, but he's the one who has it. We'd rather he be successful than go through another coaching change. Personally I saw a mixed bag last year. Some things Gailey did impressed me, others concerned me. I think we were due for a down year last year even if O'Leary had stayed due to our hole at QB. The injuries just made things worse. I'm hoping to see a change in attitude this year to build on.
 
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Originally posted by ncjacket:
Jerry the Jacket, I think you're right. Most of us don't know if Gailey is the right man for the job, but he's the one who has it. We'd rather he be successful than go through another coaching change. Personally I saw a mixed bag last year. Some things Gailey did impressed me, others concerned me. I think we were due for a down year last year even if O'Leary had stayed due to our hole at QB. The injuries just made things worse. I'm hoping to see a change in attitude this year to build on.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">NC.. when I read this.. it reminded me of the comments Georgia faithful were saying about Richt after his first year... almost identical as they were smarting from a bowl loss to BC..

I think what alot of people forget is this.. GOL had a tremendous advantage in the fact that he had coached at Tech before, as an assistant.. the years he spent watching Ross struggle and the carnage he witnessed upon his return (Bill Lewis) gave him a tremendous advantage and lessened the need for the "trainee hat" ...

Without that experience, I wonder what his first years would have been like... just a thought..

Beebad.. you give yourself waaaay too much credit.. your posts remind me of pro wrestling in a way... there are some idiots who enjoy it, but most find it juvenile...
 
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I have a reply to two posters.

The first is to JerrytheJacket:

You have stated an untruth. You made this statement, "The bond (Gailey a Christian) appears so strong that many will go to any length to defend Gailey regardless of the circumstances and border on hatred for who questions Gailey's qualifications or fitness for duty".

I have just researched the past posts and can find not one instance where a professing Christian has made the least indication they favor Gailey and will defend him as a coach because he is Christian.

In fact, it appears some are attacking him because he is a Christian. BeeBad made this statement. "I don't want a christian family man as a head coacn".

I have stated many times I will wait until the end of this year to make my judgements on Gailey's ability to coach. I have stated the problem last year has not been resolved for responsibility to BOB or Gailey. I delayed my judgements until this year.

If you poll the posters with scripture as their last entry, I honestly believe you will not find a single soul basing his decision on whether Gailey should remain or leave upon his profession of being a Christian. I believe every single one will state their decision rests solely on his ability to coach.

I will also tell you, I hate no man nor poster, and believe all of the other professing Christians will tell you the same thing.

What should be extremely obvious is the fact those with a profession of faith in Christ are trying to be fair and give Gailey (or any coach) the same fair treatment afforded all coaches at Tech. The call for fairness should be noted as a positive attribute and you have turned a positive attribute into something evil.

The next response is a reprint from an earlier post. Again, I stated I would not bring up GOL's record unless others try to compare Gailey's record with GOL. So, here is the reprint for Driver8 plus a few other tid-bits.

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It makes little difference what O'Leary did and the style of his program. We are discussing a new coach and a new style, his style. He should be judged on how much he wins against how much he loses on his own style.

O'Leary's style should have zip to do with Gailey. We will judge Gailey on his wins and losses. Gailey's first year of 7-6 was close to GOL's last year's coaching of 7-5.

It appears Braine did not like O'Leary's style, so he changed some things after O'Leary left and hired a new coach with the style he preferred in the new academic system.

Now, it becomes foolish to expect Gailey to be like O'Leary. Their styles are different, but you have to give Gailey just as much of a chance as you gave O'Leary.

Now, you get down to comparing O'Leary and Gailey again. You compared them to your bias and your dislike of Gailey. You did not compare them fairly.

Let's compare them fairly. I will have to restate some of the same facts, I have stated in other posts.

In O'Leary's first 2 1/3 years, his record was 11-14. His record against UGA was 0-3, and he went to no bowls in that period.

Gailey's record was 7-6 in his first year and he went to a bowl in his first year.

Since you (previous poster) brought up the three straight wins with O'Leary against UGA, let's re-examine that. As stated O'Leary was 11-14 until he got a new Offensive Coordinator. For four straight years with the new Offensive Coordinator, O'Leary was 33-14, went to four straight bowls, and had a record against UGA of 3-1.

Without that coordinator O'Leary was 18-20, 0-4 against UGA, and never won a bowl game. He took a 9-2 team (2000) into a bowl (LSU) without that coordinator and lost. He was a strong favorite to win that bowl.

The next year (2001), without that coordinator, he had a top ten rated team, with a national championship home scheduled and went 7-5 with that team. The wheels literally came off the wagon.

Now, we have Gailey with a first year (2002) record of 7-6 and a bowl to his credit, and stuck with a less than satisfactory OC who did not know how to develop quarterbacks.

He gets new offensive coordinators the same as O'Leary when he was losing, and has some of his own players available, and many of the unhappy seniors have graduated.

So, what happens, the old O'Leary crowd wants to fire Gailey and not give him the same chance they gave O'Leary. Personally, I think they are afraid he might do better than O'Leary did his second year (5-6), and better than they did last year with O'Brien.

And whose fault was it Tech got blown out 51-7 at UGA and lost to a pathetic Fresno State? It very well could have been the fault of those same Mac supporting dissatisfied seniors who laid down in those games.

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O'Leary quit Tech, Gailey is still trying.

Gailey's first year of 7-6 was with the same left-over offensive coordinator, from O'Leary's last 7-5 team.

Change in academic control by the administration from the O'Leary regime to the Gailey regime has no reflection on Gailey's ability as a coach. This had to be laid at the feet of the administration.

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Good post Jacketguy!! No one has made those insights known about O'Leary's previous experience. This is why GT has usually been through some tough transitional times when going through coaching changes. We're a unique situation and that's reflected whenever a new head coach takes the reigns. A little patience goes a long way!
 
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NCJacket,.....I hope I am very wrong about the upcoming season. If we are successful, I will the first to admit I was wrong. That said,...I will not "shut-up".....so don't waste your time hoping that I will. I have as much of a right as you do to voice my opinion. I am a positive person by nature,...that's why I so upset. Usually at this time of the year I'm full of excitement about the upcoming season. After watching CG last year, I feel as though he is not the person to lead us.And I cannot forgive him for last season's failure and the recent trouble we've experienced. Also,....what gives you the right to tell me what I should do. Just because I vehemently disagree with your thoughts, I haven't resorted to telling you to stop posting. As to Aso,...I have no problem with GC's faith. I'm a tried and true Methodist. I just wish he would spend less time proclaiming the Word and more time getting our football team ready to play. In that area, he has been woefully deficient.

I don't understand why we can't have a football program worthy of proud, Southern football heritage and at the same time,..let those that beat their chest about their degree from Ma Tech yell from the highest peak. Let's go after the same kids that FSU, Florida, ugag, Auburn, etc. recruit, get our share,...give them the tremendous support they need and then keep our program in the top 25 year after year.

GATA JACKETS!
 
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to driver8: don't shut up .. in fact put your money where your mouth is.

make a wager with me regarding your statement that auburn will be beating us by 4 touchdowns by half time.

got nads?
 
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Driver8, I have no problem with Gailey expressing his faith, and I would have no problem if he did not express his faith in his job.

That is up to him personally. He knows what he must and must not do in his personal life. My main concern at Tech is the expertise of the coaching from any of the coaches.

All coaches have an influence on the kids they coach, good or bad. It is up to the coach and the administrators as to the type of influence they wish to see in a coach.

I think fans will be satisfied with most any coach that wins, but does it in a way that will make the school proud of their efforts. Some schools around the country, names omitted, want to win regardless of the reflection on the integrity of their school.

I will have to say, I am not a "win at all costs" type of fan. I am very proud of the record of Tech over the years regarding the integrity of the student athletes.

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I'll give you this Driver8, your last paragraph is right on the mark! The hypocrits(it's ok to sign a few great athletes with 850 SATs, but not near as many as our direct competition does), and the snobs(don't dare sign more than a few oustanding athletes, with great character and work ethic, if they aren't 1100+ SATers because my degree might be tarnished...geesh!), however will not agree with you. This unfounded fear of what it means to "academic integrity/reputation", for 85 very gifted kids to come to Tech and experience the Tech tradition of excellence, by not only struggling like the rest of the student body to pass, but to add greatly to the OVERALL educational experience for ALL, by sacrificing and contributing as only they can on the football field, is well...sad. THWG
 
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it's very amusing to read these posts about admitting athletes with low scores when 10 student athletes just flunked out.

over the past few years .. only 1 out of 3 student athletes in our football program have been graduating.

if we admit students who can't cut it at tech, we are wasting their time and ours. we are basically ruining their lives and our program.

the only way out is to come up with some "athlete friendly" majors, which does not mean dumbing down tech. it just means, we need to diversify our schedule to include some degree programs which would interest athletes. it doesn't mean handing out useless pieces of paper but quality degrees in significant aspects of life.
 
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ylojk8, agree with you about what needs to be done, but there is nothing amusing about not allowing MANY of our best players over the past several years to be considered as part of present and upcoming recruiting classes. It's just hypocritical and snobbish. Without the players I'm referencing, we probably wouldn't be posting here because of lack of interest. Ever visit Duke or Vandy's football msg boards? Depressing. THWG
 
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First, Driver8...you are right, you have the right to post whatever you want. And I should not have said shut up, I should have said stop the negative posting. Sorry.

Ace, I agree with you to a certain extent. I have no problem signing kids with 850 SATs if we have some reason to think they can do the work. Some kids don't test well, and some don't have the background to test well. If they guidance counselors at their school, their teachers, their pastors, their coaches, or whoever think they can do the work and they seem to be kids with the desire I say give them a shot. And give them the support they need. My worry is that of the guys you refer to as the best of our past players who would not be given a shot today, is how many of them graduated? I don't see that as snobbish, I see that as using those kids for their athletic talents and then throwing them on the trash heap. If they were successful in school, then it proves my first point about finding the right kids.

We can complain about our academic standards all we want but the fact is they aren't going away. This isn't an issue for the administration except to the extant that we apply extra resources to those athletes who need help. Tech can't add programs unless the Board of Regents lets us. We have to figure out how to get the right kids, keep them in school, and compete on the field. Ross did it, and I think we still can.
 
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Originally posted by ylojk8:
it's very amusing to read these posts about admitting athletes with low scores when 10 student athletes just flunked out.

over the past few years .. only 1 out of 3 student athletes in our football program have been graduating.

if we admit students who can't cut it at tech, we are wasting their time and ours. we are basically ruining their lives and our program.

the only way out is to come up with some "athlete friendly" majors, which does not mean dumbing down tech. it just means, we need to diversify our schedule to include some degree programs which would interest athletes. it doesn't mean handing out useless pieces of paper but quality degrees in significant aspects of life.
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AMEN !!!

I've been saying this forever..We have to diversify, and it DOESN"T have to mean lowering standards one bit !!!!
 
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I think there needs to be an examination of the overall talent that O'Leary also inherited versus the overall depth of talent that Gailey inherited. But unfortunately you cant compare because it would be like a DivII vs. Div I comparison. I hope I am wrong...But the next guy will probably have a worse record his first year as well because he will probably inherit a program on decline (hence him getting a chance at GT). Gailey got to go to a bowl with the record we had because of the previuos year's bowls, which gave us some respect in the Bowls eyes in a way. I wouldnt have taken a team like ours the way we ended the season. I still hope they prove me wrong for the sake of the program
 
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