Geoff Made Me a Loser

I feel like we played OK in a 25 pt loss, mainly because we didn’t get shutout or lose by 42. Now I’m a loser too. Thanks Geeoff
 
00Burdell said:
I don't know how anybody can make the case that we are at a coaching disadvantage on the offensive side. That is literally absurd. We dropped THREE touchdown passes v Ole Miss. We were something like 75% on 3rd down-on the road against a pretty good SEC team that used a lot of home cookin against us.

Defensively, whole nuther subject.

Yikes, y'all.
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Yeah I hear you on offensive. I feel like we have pretty solid game management in Key and the rest of the staff.

I guess defense is the big issue.
 
verdi said:
Yeah I hear you on offensive. I feel like we have pretty solid game management in Key and the rest of the staff.

I guess defense is the big issue.
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He's holding onto the timeouts in the first half a bit too long. We might have gotten some points against Louisville before half of we had spent a time out
 
verdi said:
Yeah I hear you on offensive. I feel like we have pretty solid game management in Key and the rest of the staff.

I guess defense is the big issue.
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Not sure if you were at the game (and, therefore did not see the broadcast) but the very pro-SEC announcers were quick to acknowledge the wisdom of one aspect of our game plan which was to slow the game down and keep Ole Miss' offense on the sideline. I don't recall specifics - or won't swear to them - but we had some clock-draining drives in the first half. Further, they commented on how it was a really wise move and Kiffen was already worried he wouldn't get as many posessions as he would like.

So basically, against a pretty stout defense, our game plan was long, slow drives with lots of third and shorts that must be converted to keep things moving. And, as mentioned, our 3rd down conversion rate was astronomical under the circumstances.

I'm not tryig to be overly defensive about the offense but am perfectl willing to get overly offensive about the defense. I've seen this so many times - we light up the scoreboard like a Times Square Christmas Tree (we didn't exactly do that Saturday but we did drop a few TDs in the actual EZ). But we held those guys to 10 points in 30 min mostly by keeping them off the field with our O. Only to have the D make up for all that lost time in the 2nd half.

One thing I checked last week in my pre-game homework was how many times in the last 3 years, Ole Miss was held under 21 points (which we were on pace to do).

Answer: Three.
 
Buzz72 said:
It’s hard to believe what a bunch of winers you guys are. We moved from being totally unprepared to play to competing this year under Key. You are probably the same fans who wanted Ross fired in early ‘89. We are lacking depth and talent on the DL and LB’s.
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GTFLETCH said:
Just not true. It is because of Geoff Collins. Perfect example is Jeff Sims, He was over rated coming out of HS, but since he was a 4 star CGC promised him the world. AD TSTAN & Clown Collins botched the era and set the program back. Coach Key will correct this, but he needs some time. SEE GOL after Bill Lewis era...

If you can't see the improvement from last years Ole Miss game to this years Ole Miss game maybe you just do not want to see it!! LOL! We still have a shout at winning 6-7 games this year.
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There's a related comment between these two. We certainly are doing better than we were under Collins, but that is such a low bar that it is almost not worth mentioning. Which also leads to the other comment; Key isn't going to get a whole lot of time to get us to at least average to above average. He was mainly hired because he was popular with the players, a lot of Tech donors have hard ons for hiring guys with Tech connections, and he was cheap (this last part in particular gives him a short leash). He has to do way more than be better than Collins to see year 4.

Also an addition on the GOL comparison; he went 6-5 his first full year.
 
MACHETE said:
Funny you mention that Duke game. I was there and when we lost, I was incredulous and apoplectic. I was like, "this didn't really just happen, did it?". Now I'm just hoping we can stay in the game to have a chance at winning...
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Duke snapped the longest losing streak in ACC history by winning that game. A lot of other losses felt worse than that one but that loss is easily the most embarassing loss of my nearly half-century of following Tech. I just wanted to crawl in a hole and not come out until we had a new coach.
 
JJacket said:
He's holding onto the timeouts in the first half a bit too long. We might have gotten some points against Louisville before half of we had spent a time out
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Yea. Our strategy didn’t make sense there, or at least was inconsistent. We should have used the TOs or let it run to half. Instead we played the middle ground which let Louisville take a shot, but didn’t leave us enough time to score when we did create a turnover.

I’ve been pleased with his game management otherwise. He hasn’t done anything completely idiotic like Goof Collins
 
I’m not worried about Key.
He may never get us to an Orange Bowl or a playoff spot but I think he will get us back to above average.
Respectability is good for recruiting.
If we are to return to being a contender, we have to be respectable first.
Then who knows?
 
Aluminium Stinger said:
Total bullshit. If we didn’t have CPJ it would have been as is it now, only a decade earlier.

He was the right coach at the right time and brought some great football to the flats. So many people were bitching for his head, well you got it and the team had sucked since. And not going to get any better with Coach Collin Part 2
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No doubt CPJ did a great job, but if a Bobby Ross type coach with an O’Leary as Def coordinator and Fridge running the offense had that talent we would have been off and running. Actually, Gailey inherited and recruited pretty good talent but his playcalling was so conservative it cost us games. We usually had a decent D with Tenuta. Unfortunately CPJ had trouble recruiting whereas a Ross type coach would have recruited pretty well and the next coach wouldn’t have had to start from scratch.
 
Pastner made you the loser. Collins just let you watch.
 
cincytechie said:
The majority of Tech fans seem content with our ceiling being a game above 0.500. It’s embarrassing. Totally on board with our complete lack of a job search after last season. Key and the Tulane guy were the best we could do.
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You don't know what you're talking about "lack of a job search"
 
GoldenIsle said:
No doubt CPJ did a great job, but if a Bobby Ross type coach with an O’Leary as Def coordinator and Fridge running the offense had that talent we would have been off and running. Actually, Gailey inherited and recruited pretty good talent but his playcalling was so conservative it cost us games. We usually had a decent D with Tenuta. Unfortunately CPJ had trouble recruiting whereas a Ross type coach would have recruited pretty well and the next coach wouldn’t have had to start from scratch.
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Gailey only had one big recruiting class. He was good at talent evaluation, but one of the big knocks on him was his recruiting. That one class was literally why we hired the clown.

Gailey couldn’t beat uga or wake with Calvin + Choice. He wasn’t going to get any better than he was.

And the game was passing Tenuta by (unfortunately). There were going to be more WVU games ahead. The spread was just taking hold.
 
WracerX said:
Gailey only had one big recruiting class. He was good at talent evaluation, but one of the big knocks on him was his recruiting. That one class was literally why we hired the clown.
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And I really wonder how much of that was Clown - and how much of that class was because of Giff Smith?
 
swampsting said:
And I really wonder how much of that was Clown - and how much of that class was because of Giff Smith?
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Geoff is a hustler and I have no doubt he did a lot of work on that class. Taking full credit for it and listing himself on his Wiki page as RC for that season are both just plain falsehoods. Giff Smith was the RC that season, and he had another very good class lined up the next season when CCG was released. Geoff was long gone by then. Most of those filtered out when we went to the option. One was the QB that ended up at Dook and did well under Cut.
 
verdi said:
Under CPJ I often felt we had a coaching advantage even if we had a talent disadvantage. It sucks to feel like we have a disadvantage in both.

I felt that way this weekend versus Ole Miss and Louisville.
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When CPJ was here I was always confident we had a chance to win every game GT played, simply because our
OC could out scheme or out coach the opposition's DC or HC.

It was fun watching our 3* and 4* players beat those teams that were loaded with the 4* and 5* star players, you can say what you want to about CPJ, he and his assistant coaches for the most part could coach up players.

I am willing to give CBK some leeway, because of what was handed to him by the previous clown coach
at GT. IMO, it's going to take another 2-3 recruiting cycles to build up some quality depth, along with getting some quality athletes from the portal. My biggest gripe is probably the play of GT's defense, at times I am scratching my
head at some of the defensive calls by our DC, lack of tackling and general lack of coaching by the defensive staff. I get it that GT has an inefficient DL at times, but it seems to me they could be coached up to play with more emotion
and intensity.

Perhaps there isn't good chemistry on this team?

I watched some games the other day from the 1990 NC team, one thing about that team is they
had good chemistry and seem to enjoy playing football with each other. Course now that team
had some good playmakers on both sides of the ball.

It's like my older brother once told me; "you'd better have tough skin, 'if you pull for the Yellow Jackets!"
No truer words have ever been spoken, and believe me my brother was the the greatest Georgia Tech fan I
have ever known.

May he rest in peace, because wherever he is, I know he is stilling pulling for his beloved Yellow Jackets.
 
stinger78 said:
Geoff is a hustler and I have no doubt he did a lot of work on that class. Taking full credit for it and listing himself on his Wiki page as RC for that season are both just plain falsehoods. Giff Smith was the RC that season, and he had another very good class lined up the next season when CCG was released. Geoff was long gone by then. Most of those filtered out when we went to the option. One was the QB that ended up at Dook and did well under Cut.
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Giff coached under PJ at Southern and as far as I know, they got along ok. But Giff did have bigger and better opportunities to come along his way. Giff recruited a lot of Cobb County for PJ at Southern, since he went to Pebblebrook.
 
Aluminium Stinger said:
Total bullshit. If we didn’t have CPJ it would have been as is it now, only a decade earlier.

He was the right coach at the right time and brought some great football to the flats. So many people were bitching for his head, well you got it and the team had sucked since. And not going to get any better with Coach Collin Part 2
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How the hell do you see Key as Collins part 2?
 
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