Goodbye Jax

MatatoGT said:
If it comes to that, then just have the game at someone's home field, like a playoff game.
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We have a winner! Give home field advantage to the division winner from the division that wins more games against the other one. That would help create more leaguewide interest in the meaningless end-of-season games like NC State - Miami, and anyone from the other conference playing Duke. It would mean more leaguewide when FSU steps up and beats BC, because not only would it potentially impact BC playing in the ACCCG, but it could also impact whether Clemson played at home or not, if they won the division. It adds that same element to the Tech-Clemson game too.
 
Who says a rotating game can't build tradition? The Big XII has a rotating game and they don't seem to have any problems selling tickets.
 
MatatoGT said:
If it comes to that, then just have the game at someone's home field, like a playoff game. (CUSA does that)
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Would be interesting to see how ticketing would work in a situation like that. Say GT gets in and has home field advantage. That means that some GT season ticket holders will not get seats, and those that do, will not necessarily get their usual seats? In a stadium the size of GT's, how many tickets would we get for fans, once they take out corporate tickets, family tickets, bands, etc?
 
SMoney said:
Would be interesting to see how ticketing would work in a situation like that. Say GT gets in and has home field advantage. That means that some GT season ticket holders will not get seats, and those that do, will not necessarily get their usual seats? In a stadium the size of GT's, how many tickets would we get for fans, once they take out corporate tickets, family tickets, bands, etc?
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Screw that. You have home field advantage. If you sell out season tickets, then the visitors/guests/sponsors get the same puny share they always get. If you don't sell out the north end zone, then they are fair game.

Look at the turnout in Jax and tell me anyone not from the home team deserves tickets.
 
Who says a rotating game can't build tradition? The Big XII has a rotating game and they don't seem to have any problems selling tickets.
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The ACC had a long standing tradition of rotating its BBall tourney between the Omni and the Greensboro Coliseum when I was growing up. Rotations can definitely be traditions, but you gotta stick to them for a long time before they become traditions.
 
Has everyone missed that Charlotte is NOT and option next year? There's some big convention that is supposed to be taking up a lot of hotel rooms.

At least Tampa doesn't have the bowl conflict like Jax, Orlando, or Charlotte would.
 
JMB said:
Has everyone missed that Charlotte is NOT and option next year? There's some big convention that is supposed to be taking up a lot of hotel rooms.

At least Tampa doesn't have the bowl conflict like Jax, Orlando, or Charlotte would.
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???When would the loser of the ACCCG ever fall to the Tire Bowl? There simply isn't a bowl conflict.

Tampa will be a bigger disaster than Jax for attendance. The fact that Charlotte has a big convention in town speaks to the fact that Swofford is incompetent and unable to anticipate what was obvious to most of the ACC --- Jax wasn't a good location for a game that teams don't know if they're going until a week or two ahead of time. Because of the lack of planning time, the ACCCG is not a mini-vacation, that's what a bowl game is. Hence, things to do outside of the game is of minimal importance.
 
Let's just hope for conference's sake that FSU gets the ACCCG the next couple of years. It could get ugly attendance wise even with Clemson playing, and certainly with any other Atlantic team.
 
GT1992 said:
???When would the loser of the ACCCG ever fall to the Tire Bowl? There simply isn't a bowl conflict.
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At least Tampa would be a new destination. I've been to Jax for 3 Gator Bowls and the ACC Champ Game last year. I really have no desire to go back.
 
GT1992,
The Car Care Bowl would not be a conflict, BUT there is still a major issue of putting butts into seats. I see another football event in Charlotte as being a conflict with the Car Care. Not that many people will buy tickets for both events considering the NFL is also there.
 
Re: Michael Kelly has close ties to Tampa

Feb. 28, 2007
GREENSBORO, N.C. - Atlantic Coast Conference Commissioner John Swofford announced today that Karl Hicks and Michael Kelly have been chosen to fill the positions of Associate Commissioner for Men's Basketball Operations and Football Operations, respectively.

Kelly joins the conference office staff as the Associate Commissioner for Football Operations. His responsibilities will include management and promotions of the annual football championship game; regular-season conference scheduling; liaison work with the national and regional television networks and post-season bowl partners; and as the commissioner's liaison to the leagues 12 football programs. Kelly will also assist with the Bowl Championship Series administrative duties when the league takes over its coordination in January 2008.
Kelly most recently served as the President of the South Florida Super Bowl XLI Host Committee, the same role he played with the Jacksonville Super Bowl XXXIX Host Committee. Previously, Kelly also served as the Executive Director of the Tampa Bay Super Bowl XXXV Host Committee and the 1999 Tampa Bay Men's Final Four Organizing Committee.
Kelly is no stranger to the collegiate ranks serving as the Associate AD for External Affairs at the University of South Florida from 2001-02 and the Director of Athletic Operations and Facilities at Wake Forest University from 1995-98. Kelly acquired bowl experience as well when he served as the Director of Communications and Special Projects for the Carquest Bowl from 1994-95. A graduate of Wake Forest University, Kelly earned his bachelor's degree in politics and then a master's degree in sports administration from St. Thomas University in Miami Gardens, FL."

My wife and Michael's wife taught school together and we lived in the same neighborhood in Tampa. I think we are making a strong push to get the Outback bowl to add an ACC tie-in so this is an attempt to build that relationship.

Michael is a likely cadididate to succeed Swofford one day and he is a genuinely likeable guy who tends to be a GT supporter. While Michael and I were not friends per se, his wife and my wife still stay in touch. He and his wife are both Wake grads but he is from MD so he is not one of the ACC NC good ol' boys.
Anyway, I think we go to Tampa for two years to build the brand and then have an Outback bowl tie-in thereafter.
 
midatlantech said:
GT1992,
The Car Care Bowl would not be a conflict, BUT there is still a major issue of putting butts into seats. I see another football event in Charlotte as being a conflict with the Car Care. Not that many people will buy tickets for both events considering the NFL is also there.
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As opposed to the Outback Bowl and the NFL in Tampa not being a conflict?
 
GTMensLax&SoccerD1Soon! said:
Charlotte has a better more central bar/night scene than does Atlanta or Tampa. If you want to go out in Atlanta you first of all wont be anywhere near the stadium as everything is in highlands, midtown, and scattered all over town. Tampa's stadium isn't even in the downtown area. Charlotte has a dense bar/night club area within SAFE walking distance to the stadium. Plus charlotte has a better airport and is accustomed at hosting large sports events as it has to host several Nascar events a year and those events are typically attended by well over 100,000 people every time. Charlotte also has a bigger airport than Tampa and better transportation infrastructure with less traffic than Atlanta. Plus the Georgia Dome is just flat UGLY! Have you seen it lately? Teal and pink? Are you kidding me? I'd rather have it in Athens than at the "Here Come the 80's dome".

The only redeeming feature to Tampa is the beach, but you can't even swim there in December anyways.
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How much time have you spent in Tampa? Your description sure doesn't sound like the city I live in...

Although you are correct it isn't in walking distance from the Stadium, Tampa has way better night life than Charlotte (ever heard of Ybor City, Tampa's version of the french quarter?).

To say that Charlotte is more traveler and vacation friendly is laughable. Tampa/St.Pete/Clearwater are far, far more suited to vacationers than Charlotte -- tourism is a huge industry here. Beaches and vacation parks being two examples of things Charlotte cannot offer.

In addition, the water temp was 74 degrees yesterday and the air temp 82 degrees, quite swimable.

Tampa Stadium is state of the art, also, and it is about 10 minutes from downtown/Ybor.

I would agree, however, that Charlotte has better roads/infrastructure and less traffic...Mike

p.s. The Charlotte and Tampa airports are comparable in size (84 versus 59 gates), and on time arrivals (75.6 versus 74.8%). Charlotte has the advantage of being a USAir hub. Tampa has better/closer rental car facilities, but Charlotte does have the rocking chairs! I'd call the airports a wash....or Charlotte by a nose.
 
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though I've never been...

Tampa has lots of Cheetah like places within walking distance of the stadium. We did have a moving sale when leaving there and I sold some stuff to a Shanri-La dancer.

she paid in $1 dollar bills.




TampaJacket said:
How much time have you spent in Tampa? Your description sure doesn't sound like the city I live in...

Although you are correct it isn't in walking distance from the Stadium, Tampa has way better night life than Charlotte (ever heard of Ybor City, Tampa's version of the french quarter?).

To say that Charlotte is more traveler and vacation friendly is laughable. Tampa/St.Pete/Clearwater are far, far more suited to vacationers than Charlotte -- tourism is the number two industry here (behind services). Beaches and vacation parks being two examples of things Charlotte cannot offer.

In addition, the water temp was 74 degrees yesterday and the air temp 82 degrees, quite swimable.

Tampa Stadium is state of the art, also, and it is about 10 minutes from downtown/Ybor.

I would agree, however, that Charlotte has better roads/infrastructure and less traffic...Mike

p.s. The Charlotte and Tampa airports are comparable in size (59 versus 84 gates), and on time arrivals (75.6 versus 74.8%). Charlotte has the advantage of being a USAir hub. Tampa has better rental car facilities, but Charlotte does have the rocking chairs! I'd call the airports a wash....or Charlotte by a nose.
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If I'm going there to vacation or just hang out, Tampa vs. Charlotte is a clobber along the lines of Godzilla vs. Bambi.

BUT, I can hop in the car on game day and be in Charlotte in 4 hours or less, and that is true for a large fraction of the ACC fan base.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXCUBVS4kfQ
 
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thwg said:
Tampa has lots of Cheetah like places within walking distance of the stadium. We did have a moving sale when leaving there and I sold some stuff to a Shanri-La dancer.

she paid in $1 dollar bills.
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Let's hear it for the Mons Venus.

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Honestly though, if the only draw for the ACC title game is the quality of strip joints in the area, then the ACC is in worse shape then anyone thought. It doesn't really matter where the game is played, if everyone in the country thinks that the ACC is weak conference, then it's still going to be at a half full stadium with a 1 PM kickoff on ESPN2.
 
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thwg said:
Tampa has lots of Cheetah like places within walking distance of the stadium. We did have a moving sale when leaving there and I sold some stuff to a Shanri-La dancer.

she paid in $1 dollar bills.
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Good point, I never thought of The Stripper Factor. :laugher:
 
TampaJacket said:
To say that Charlotte is more traveler and vacation friendly is laughable. Tampa/St.Pete/Clearwater are far, far more suited to vacationers than Charlotte -- tourism is the number two industry here (behind services). Beaches and vacation parks being two examples of things Charlotte cannot offer.
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Tampa - If you look at my post I never said Charlotte was the better vacationing/destination city. Because that would have been wrong.

What I said was that Charlotte is more accustomed to and better suited to host larger sporting events. Also, I stated that with the location of the stadium out of the downtown Tampa area, all walkability is lost. Whereas in Charlotte you can have your hotel be 5 minutes walk from the stadium and from a great bar area.

Last thing I want is bunch of drunk people driving all over town to go bar hopping after their team wins the football game.

And yeah you're right that the waters have been very swimmable there lately with all of the red tide thats been moving through.

Though long story short, Tampa has been chosen for the next two years and only time will tell what the better option is.
 
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