Guy....Sell me on Muschamp..what does he bring

BuzzCzar said:
I am particularly high on Muschamp because he reminds me so much of Stoops, Richt, and Rodriguez

I guarantee you that none of Richt or Stoops or Rodriguez got hired for screaming obscenities at the players

WM is a clown, an Amado in waiting
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Dude, get a clue.
Muschamp has consistently produced top 10 defenses in the country YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT in easily the toughest conference in the country the last few seasons. He is #8 in the country this year, he was #7 last year, he was #1 in 2003 with LSU. He was top ten his other years at LSU.

He has produced. Amato was a Linebackers Coach prior to becoming a head coach. He has NEVER been a DC, Mickey Andrews was. Amato is a clown. To compare the two is night and day....

NEXT?
 
TerminusTechie said:
My worry with Muschamp is that most of his experience is at SEC schools (UGA as a player, LSU and Auburn as a coach) with tremendous recruiting advantages.

I do not think the path to success for Tech is to try to follow the SEC coaching philosophies, but only do it better. We have different strengths and weaknesses as a school than SEC programs.

Do I think that we can compete with and beat SEC programs? Heck yes, but not by copying their game philosophies.

Tenuta's D does not copy the SEC model and neither did Friedgen's O.

Although GT was in the SEC, Bobby Dodd's coaching philosophies were not the same as Bear Bryant's coaching philosophies.

It was before my time, but from what I have read Dodd was very bright and could adjust GT's plans quickly to exploit opponents.

From a marketing standpoint we need to copy the SEC schools to help close the financial gap, but copying them on the field is not likely to be as successful as we would like. Copying the SEC schools from a marketing standpoint probably will not allow GT to surpass them financially to be the highest revenue program in the southeast, but it will help us to close the gap some.

At least with respect to business, companies that try to merely copy the strategies of other companies are not likely to be successful when different companies have different strengths and weaknesses.

Muschamp seems energetic and bright, but can he adapt and find unique strategies on the field (different than the strategies employed at the SEC schools which are his experience) to use GT's strengths to our best advantage while minimizing our weaknesses?
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I understand what you are saying but I don't think we require different on the field strategies. Different marketing and recruiting strategies (although not as different as many think).

Football is football. The only difference between ACC and SEC football is that it is played in front of 95K screaming fans everyweek. Athletically and academically the players aren't so different to require a different strategy.
 
BOR, it is amazing how you think that your opinion should be the only one allowed and how just because you think it, it is true

IMO there is a big difference in recruiting for LSU and Auburn vs. recruiting at Tech. Also, having great defenses has absolutely NOTHING to do with being a good Head Coach. If we wanted top rated defenses (we have them also, btw) we would hire a DC, not a Head Coach. we need someone to lead the program. Tech players are not 700 SAT idiots that might need a good screaming at. they will not respond well to constant screaming and cussing. he will fade quickly.

i dont think we hire someone that will divide the fanbase. we need someone that will pull people together. WM will NOT do that! as evidence, i point to the many posters who are opposed for a variety of reasons.

also, if he is so great... why isnt anyone else interviewing him? i havent heard him mentioned at all other than the GT job or DC at LSU since Pellini left along with Tenuta
 
those defenses everyone touts so much were stacked with talent...he won't have 4 all americans on one squad at GT, hell he may not have 4 All Americans in his entire tenure at Tech. There seems to be a lot of unkowns here, but I'll put my faith in the man that gets paid to make those decisions. I guess all of the candidates have unknowns. We're rolling the dice either way.
 
goldmember said:
Football is football. The only difference between ACC and SEC football is that it is played in front of 95K screaming fans everyweek. Athletically and academically the players aren't so different to require a different strategy.
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More than just the size of the stadiums, Bobby Dodd and Bear Bryant had very different coaching philosophies. It was not all just about recruiting the best athletes.

While recruiting is important, if people think the solution to beating UGA is to out-recruit them, in my opinion I do not think GT will win that battle.

We have to be able to beat UGA using a different strategy because we have a recruiting disadvantage against them.

Saying football is football is like saying war is war. We pursued a different strategy than the Germans in WWII precisely because we had different strengths and weaknesses than Germany had.

Germany had the more powerful tanks (Tiger, Panther, etc.) and better aerospace technology (jets, cruise missles, and ballistic missles). The US applied manufacturing and mass production strength, code breaking, and combined arms (air and land working together) to create logistical problems that beat the Nazis.
 
TechGator1066 said:
Success at both Pros and College is one big plus. He's also young, energetic, and will inject energy into GT unlike any other candidate. Also will tear up the recruiting trails in the Southeast.

Energetic + passion = exciting offense (at least imo), which is what this program needs to reach supremacy in the ACC and ultimately, Nationally.
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So thats our Offensive Coordinator? Mr energy and passion. Sorry. Scehme and proof that you can score points year in and year out against teams on a consistent basis= offense and peaople in the stands. We need BOTH now. Not just energy. Scoring a lot of points can bring energy and sell tickets! energy passion and winning 7-8 games will not do it alone without having an exciting dynamic offense. My opinion
 
TerminusTechie said:
My worry with Muschamp is that most of his experience is at SEC schools (UGA as a player, LSU and Auburn as a coach) with tremendous recruiting advantages.

I do not think the path to success for Tech is to try to follow the SEC coaching philosophies, but only do it better. We have different strengths and weaknesses as a school than SEC programs.

Do I think that we can compete with and beat SEC programs? Heck yes, but not by copying their game philosophies.

Tenuta's D does not copy the SEC model and neither did Friedgen's O.

Although GT was in the SEC, Bobby Dodd's coaching philosophies were not the same as Bear Bryant's coaching philosophies.

It was before my time, but from what I have read Dodd was very bright and could adjust GT's plans quickly to exploit opponents.

From a marketing standpoint we need to copy the SEC schools to help close the financial gap, but copying them on the field is not likely to be as successful as we would like. Copying the SEC schools from a marketing standpoint probably will not allow GT to surpass them financially to be the highest revenue program in the southeast, but it will help us to close the gap some.

At least with respect to business, companies that try to merely copy the strategies of other companies are not likely to be successful when different companies have different strengths and weaknesses.

Muschamp seems energetic and bright, but can he adapt and find unique strategies on the field (different than the strategies employed at the SEC schools which are his experience) to use GT's strengths to our best advantage while minimizing our weaknesses?
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What is an 'SEC coaching philosophy' I seriously am not following this. It seems like there are lots of different philosophies.

The SEC schools don't have tremendous recruiting advantages over each other - which is how he is judged.
 
goldmember said:
What is an 'SEC coaching philosophy' I seriously am not following this. It seems like there are lots of different philosophies.

The SEC schools don't have tremendous recruiting advantages over each other - which is how he is judged.
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Get great athletes through recruiting. Line up and play base defenses or base offenses and just run over the other team.

See UGA, Tenn, Auburn, Alabama, and Arkansas amongst others.

Florida under Spurrier was one of the first teams to try a different model.

That type of strategy no doubt puts the outcome of the game in the hands of those teams' great athletes, and they hope to have better athletes than the other teams on the field.

If we know starting out that our athletes are not as gifted, why would we pursue a strategy that primarily focuses the outcome-determining factors of the game into the athletic talent of the players?
 
TerminusTechie said:
Get great athletes through recruiting. Line up and play base defenses or base offenses and just run over the other team.

See UGA, Tenn, Auburn, Alabama, and Arkansas amongst others.

Florida under Spurrier was one of the first teams to try a different model.

That type of strategy no doubt puts the outcome of the game in the hands of those teams' great athletes, and they hope to have better athletes than the other teams on the field.

If we know starting out that our athletes are not as gifted, why would we pursue a strategy that primarily focuses the outcome-determining factors of the game into the athletic talent of the players?
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This might work in their non-conference games but they can't do that against each other, right? I get what you are saying though - we need to be more creative and maybe have a few more gimmicks....
 
goldmember said:
This might work in their non-conference games but they can't do that against each other, right? I get what you are saying though - we need to be more creative and maybe have a few more gimmicks....
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Yes, although to be fair we do not know about Muschamp. He may be capable of being more creative, but nothing in his background indicates that.

If he is hired, then let's get behind him and hope for the best.

He will bring youthful energy to the job, but hopefully he also brings wisdom and ingenuity.

Also, the OC and DC hires are critical for an inexperienced young HC. It is a tough line to walk, but Muschamp will need to develop respect such that older and more experienced coordinators will be on-board with the goals without Muschamp being run-over by his coordinators or Muschamp acting dictatorial and losing the staff.
 
I hope he doesn't bring any offensive coaches from Auburn with him, their passing O (107) is actually worse than ours (102)...total offense is 101 ours is 68.
 
TerminusTechie said:
Yes, although to be fair we do not know about Muschamp. He may be capable of being more creative, but nothing in his background indicates that.

If he is hired, then let's get behind him and hope for the best.

He will bring youthful energy to the job, but hopefully he also brings wisdom and ingenuity.

Also, the OC and DC hires are critical for an inexperienced young HC. It is a tough line to walk, but Muschamp will need to develop respect such that older and more experienced coordinators will be on-board with the goals without Muschamp being run-over by his coordinators or Muschamp acting dictatorial and losing the staff.
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I agree and hopefully if he is hired (which seems likely at this point) he has some good coordinators lined up. I think/hope Drad has this under consideration.
 
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