Here Is How A Coach Reacted After an Embarrassing Loss

swampsting said:
PJ left Collins a brand new locker room and players lounge. He left him 8 4 star players (by Rivals rankings) either on the roster or in the 2019 recruiting class — BJS, Tre, Kaleb Oliver, Gentry Bonds, Jaylon King, Jordan Domenick, James Graham and Yates — and that doesn't include Jordan Mason (who's good), Dontae Smith (who's good) or Juanyeh, Charlie or Tariq or several others.
Sean Bedford said it best on the pregame radio show a couple of years ago. You're rebuilding a house. But the bones of the structure are in really good shape.
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bedford is a Johnson homer who couldn’t have been more wrong.

BJS - bust
Tre - has not played like a 4. I’d take Butler and JWD over him
Oliver - wouldn’t be in the two deep in 08 - not even starting for WKU
Bonds - does he even play anymore?
King - not in the two deep in 08
Domenick - has been pretty good but nowhere near Johnson or Morgan
Graham - washed out at Georgia Southern
Yates - TBD but doesn’t look on the leave of JfN
Mason and Smith - good but not on the same planet as Dwyer/Jones
Juanyeh/Tariq/Charlie - none of these guys start in 08

Every single position except punter and kicker was better in 08 than 19.
 
knoxjacket said:
Every single position except punter and kicker was better in 08 than 19.
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Or maybe it’s because the coach coaching the 2008 roster was better than the coach coaching the 2019 roster.

Arguments about talent are so dumb. People cite recruiting stars then just say they were wrong when we don’t like what they say either. Did the busts lack ‘talent’ or was it not developed or was it academics or injuries or personal stuff? Who cares!
 
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18in32 said:
Or maybe it’s because the coach coaching the 2008 roster was better than the coach coaching the 2019 roster.

Arguments about talent are so dumb. People cite recruiting stars then just say they were wrong when we don’t like what they say either. Did the busts they lack ‘talent’ or was it not developed or was it academics or injuries or personal stuff? Who cares!
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You don’t need to cite recruiting stars. You can use your own eyeballs. Or you can trust the actual experts - the NFL.

Give 2008 the same coaching as 2019 and 2008 would beat the ever loving öööö out of 2019. If you are not intellectually honest enough to admit that you are either a liar or an idiot.
 
18in32 said:
For a pretty good long time, CGC's built-in excuse was the 'most significant rebuild in CFB history' or some such nonsense. When the CGC is excusing his losing by blaming the previous regime, fans have little choice but to grapple with it. Hopefully that excuse is beginning to run its course, and we can all stop debating the final few years of CPJ's tenure.
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Interesting in the presser he said it'll be tough to play KSU b/c we don't have any of the option kids on the roster anymore.
Actually can't believe he said that --- is his big excuse gone now? Thought we weren't winning b/c we're still in the biggest transition ever.
Sounds like he just admitted the transition is complete.
 
GTce93 said:
Interesting in the presser he said it'll be tough to play KSU b/c we don't have any of the option kids on the roster anymore.
Actually can't believe he said that --- is his big excuse gone now? Thought we weren't winning b/c we're still in the biggest transition ever.
Sounds like he just admitted the transition is complete.
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He said not if, but when. LOL
 
swampsting said:
Had PJ been able to get even a modicum of backing from M-Bob to bring in a top flight DC or boost the recruiting efforts, maybe he doesn't get so burned out on the deal. Maybe he gets the extra player or two who take us over the top.
Maybe.
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We continue to attempt to save money by limiting the money available to hire assistant coaches. I realize we have a tight budget but this is a self-defeating strategy. We hire coordinators with limited experience and no P5 experience and then wonder why they don't perform at a high level. Coach Key is the only assistant we have that would be hired by any top program.
 
knoxjacket said:
You don’t need to cite recruiting stars. You can use your own eyeballs. Or you can trust the actual experts - the NFL.

Give 2008 the same coaching as 2019 and 2008 would beat the ever loving öööö out of 2019. If you are not intellectually honest enough to admit that you are either a liar or an idiot.
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CPJ inherited a mediocre program and left a mediocre program. It’s not his fault that his replacement is not able to coach at his level. In between, he had some of the highest highs that GT has experienced in the modern era. IMO he is undoubtedly a Hall of Fame coach for those accomplishments, along with many others throughout his career.

And FWIW, I don’t mean that as a knock to O’Leary, who was also a fantastic coach at GT. Even Gailey was above average, IMO. That is all excruciatingly obvious as we watch our current coach fall woefully short of the mark his predecessors set.
 
BrentwoodJacket said:
We continue to attempt to save money by limiting the money available to hire assistant coaches. I realize we have a tight budget but this is a self-defeating strategy. We hire coordinators with limited experience and no P5 experience and then wonder why they don't perform at a high level. Coach Key is the only assistant we have that would be hired by any top program.
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I would add Choice to that, but point taken.
 
knoxjacket said:
You don’t need to cite recruiting stars. You can use your own eyeballs. Or you can trust the actual experts - the NFL.

Give 2008 the same coaching as 2019 and 2008 would beat the ever loving öööö out of 2019. If you are not intellectually honest enough to admit that you are either a liar or an idiot.
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Oh right, the NFL, the experts who are paid handsomely to identify talent... and are famously bad at it.

Talking about 'talent' is just pointless.
 
18in32 said:
Talking about 'talent' is just pointless.
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It’s also a symptom of our age, I think. Talking about “talent” is to talk about things that may happen in the future and you can concoct almost any seemingly plausible argument as to what may happen based on whatever metrics you can form to fit your argument.

We’d be better off talking about “production,” but that would require us to talk about hard facts and things that actually happened, and it’s more difficult to be right when constrained to what actually happened in reality. It’s more satisfying psychically to talk about “what if’s” then “what is” so that’s what’s behind much of this talent talk, I suppose.
 
Ed Sawyer said:
It’s also a symptom of our age, I think. Talking about “talent” is to talk about things that may happen in the future and you can concoct almost any seemingly plausible argument as to what may happen based on whatever metrics you can form to fit your argument.

We’d be better off talking about “production,” but that would require us to talk about hard facts and things that actually happened, and it’s more difficult to be right when constrained to what actually happened in reality. It’s more satisfying psychically to talk about “what if’s” then “what is” so that’s what’s behind much of this talent talk, I suppose.
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OK let’s talk production:

Nesbitt: 6.4 ypc as a freshman doing nothing but wildcat runs. Better than Oliver’s despite not running the option.

Dwyer: 5.3 ypc and 9 TD - same ypc and one less touchdown than NFLer Tashard Choice that year -> significant production. More TDs than Mason on a fraction of the carries in an offense where a RB has to read blocks and find holes.

Thomas: 559 yds /15.9 ypc/4 td -> that’s more yards and touchdowns than the entire 2019 team returned.

Morgan: Barely played but his 9 tackles were still more than any returning DE in 2009

Johnson: Had the same number of sacks in three years (8) as our entire front seven had in 2018. Had 4 more in 2007 than our DL returned in 2019.

Richard: Had 4.5 more sacks in 2007 than our entire returning DL in 2019.

Walker: More sacks than our top 3 in 2008. More sacks than our entire team returned in 2019.

JWD: had 20 more tackles than any returning CB for 2019. He had more picks than any of them as well. More TFL than the entire returning front 7 in 2019. Only 3 less than all returners combined.

Burnett: more tackles, more picks, as many TFL, and as many Sacks as any returning DB in 2019.

And for the kill shot: Taylor Bennett had as many receiving TDs in 2007 as we returned in 2019.

can’t wait to see what we pivot to next.
 
As pissed as I am at CGC right now, it would be unfair to not note that there was a downward trend in results over CPJ’s last few years both on field and in recruiting. So CGC took over a roster built for the option that wasn’t doing a particularly good job at that (CPJ’s last uga game was one of the worse offensive showings I’ve ever seen). And there may be good reasons for CPJ’s results falling as noted herein with idiot Bobinsky handcuffing the program.

But CGC cannot come out in year 3 opener and öööö the bed like we saw Saturday. He’s got an argument for not being at the same level as Clemson or even UNC, VT, and FSU. He does not have an argument for getting beat at the LOS by NIU and no argument for even having a close game against Kennesaw.
 
Ed Sawyer said:
It’s also a symptom of our age, I think. Talking about “talent” is to talk about things that may happen in the future and you can concoct almost any seemingly plausible argument as to what may happen based on whatever metrics you can form to fit your argument.

We’d be better off talking about “production,” but that would require us to talk about hard facts and things that actually happened, and it’s more difficult to be right when constrained to what actually happened in reality. It’s more satisfying psychically to talk about “what if’s” then “what is” so that’s what’s behind much of this talent talk, I suppose.
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Nailed it. ++
 
Just thinking out loud here, and not relevant to the post at all. Have we ran many two back plays thus far? I feel like the strength of our team is our running backs, and if we are struggling on offense it would make sense to have two backs to give us some options.
 
superjacket21 said:
Just thinking out loud here, and not relevant to the post at all. Have we ran many two back plays thus far? I feel like the strength of our team is our running backs, and if we are struggling on offense it would make sense to have two backs to give us some options.
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I was researching formations, and think this is a good one that would allow us to get more of our backs on the field. Someone send to Collins so he has time to incorporate before Saturday.
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JoeCakeEater said:
I was researching formations, and think this is a good one that would allow us to get more of our backs on the field. Someone send to Collins so he has time to incorporate before Saturday.
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You might be on to something there, kid.
 
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