High School Offense

[Tampa Jacket]

CPJ was the master of garbage time points against Clemson and UGA when the game had long been decided to make the box score appear more competitive. He also ran an offense that shortened games, which allowed us to not give us as many points. We were 100% not competitive with the likes of Clemson and UGA at the end of the 3-O era.

Yeah. I think Paul Johnson understood combination of the changes coming to college football and his in ability to recruit good enough talent meant that his time and come to an end. He was no longer going to win at Georgia Tech.

 

[covingtonjacket]

Enough with the CPJ and 3O posts all the time. I remember CPJ fondly. I liked the 3O for some of the reasons stated here. I try to remember the good and not dwell on the bad with all the former coaches. Nothing but love for CPJ, but damnit y'all need to move on.

 

[gojkts]

Whether you like the TO or not, Johnson knew how to teach it and run it. He was a great tactician and made game day decisions that helped his players compete with better athletes. Overachieving with an unfashionable offense was was a lot more fun than losing with a “respectable” offense.

 

[Liberty]

The TO is never coming back nor are its ööööty defenses.

Neither are wins, but some of us would like them to return. 3 more elite, Top 25 recruiting classes by this regime packed full of NFL players should just about put a fork in our football program. Even Joe Petit couldn’t kill the program, but this guy is making Petit look like a complete amateur when it comes to destroying a football program.

Who hates the program more:

a. The 3-win apologists who gotta have their NFL scheme or
b. The TO stalwarts that don’t care if we have another player other than a punter and FG kicker drafted

I’d say 7.5 wins per year is better than 3. Just get us back to 7.5 and I don’t care if Mr Bubbles prowls the sideline in a pink tutu and coconut bra every game, spots the ball for the officials, choreographs the dance routines & runs a 1919 high school offense to get us there.

 

[thegtstunner08]

We need to take a hard look and ask the following:

Can we compete consistently in this new era of college football using a modern offense and hire someone who can take us to at least a respectable level, or do we have to do something different. ala Jeff Monken to be competitive?

This is what I'm gathering from some of y'all.

What's the answer? You tell me. I think we can be competitive with a modern offense but we need a good coach and we don't have that right now. I have much respect for Jeff Monken but I believe we're just going backwards again if we would hire him or someone like him.

 

[andrew]

We need to take a hard look and ask the following:

Can we compete consistently in this new era of college football using a modern offense and hire someone who can take us to at least a respectable level, or do we have to do something different. ala Jeff Monken to be competitive?

This is what I'm gathering from some of y'all.

What's the answer? You tell me. I think we can be competitive with a modern offense but we need a good coach and we don't have that right now. I have much respect for Jeff Monken but I believe we're just going backwards again if we would hire him or someone like him.

I think you need to define "competitive". In this world of college football, I don't think we can compete with teams like Clemson and U[sic]GA without a gimmick like the TO or something similar. Clemson and Georgia have far better facilities and players than us, along with more coaches/analysts to help prep.

We can't bridge that gap just by hiring a smarter coach, especially since those programs have the money to also hire really smart coaches. I know people like to make fun of "Kirby Dumb", but the reality is every single program wants to hire really smart coaches, and there's nothing special about Tech that will allow us to both find better coaches than those programs and keep them when top programs can offer triple our rate.

With the TO/some other gimmick, we still won't be competing with them consistently, but at least there is a chance for us to catch lightning in a bottle once in a while. I'm not sure that's the case with a modern offense anymore. The gap is just too big.

 

[RamblinWreck92]

Neither are wins, but some of us would like them to return. 3 more elite, Top 25 recruiting classes by this regime packed full of NFL players should just about put a fork in our football program. Even Joe Petit couldn’t kill the program, but this guy is making Petit look like a complete amateur when it comes to destroying a football program.

Who hates the program more:

a. The 3-win apologists who gotta have their NFL scheme or
b. The TO stalwarts that don’t care if we have another player other than a punter and FG kicker drafted

I’d say 7.5 wins per year is better than 3. Just get us back to 7.5 and I don’t care if Mr Bubbles prowls the sideline in a pink tutu and coconut bra every game, spots the ball for the officials, choreographs the dance routines & runs a 1919 high school offense to get us there.

I literally don't see any Clown Coach defenders anymore. I think that band wagon has tipped over and all the barrels of booze have been drunk by now, the staggeringly-drunk defenders having stumbled into oncoming traffic and smashed to jelly by a dozen semi-trucks going 105 mph.

Watching last night's game, it was clear to me that we do not need the TO or a gimmicky offense with II-A-type recruits cast-off by other programs to compete at this level. It was a 1-score game late in the 3rd vs an alleged top-5 team and Sims threw it well all night long.

We do need a coach who can end the asinine false starts, who knows game mgmt and how to use TOs, etc. A guy who can get the OLmen to occasionally hit their assigned blocks.

That eliminates Clown Coach but doesn't require a service academy coach either.

 

[thegtstunner08]

I think you need to define "competitive". In this world of college football, I don't think we can compete with teams like Clemson and U[sic]GA without a gimmick like the TO or something similar. Clemson and Georgia have far better facilities and players than us, along with more coaches/analysts to help prep.

We can't bridge that gap just by hiring a smarter coach, especially since those programs have the money to also hire really smart coaches. I know people like to make fun of "Kirby Dumb", but the reality is every single program wants to hire really smart coaches, and there's nothing special about Tech that will allow us to both find better coaches than those programs and keep them when top programs can offer triple our rate.

With the TO/some other gimmick, we still won't be competing with them consistently, but at least there is a chance for us to catch lightning in a bottle once in a while. I'm not sure that's the case with a modern offense anymore. The gap is just too big.

I think in general there are bigger issues for Tech football program than it's coaches. A great coach helps but he can only do so much. The school needs to decide if it cares about football or not.

 

[EagleSting]

I've been following the triple option for a long time. I love the triple option. There's several problems:

1) Longevity. It's been out of style forever, and the number of people who run it now are far and few between. One doesn't just dabble in the TO. You commit. Otherwise, you run the risk of this kind of atrocious rebuild (which shouldn't be this bad, but that's another crappy post for another week. There's not enough triple option coaches to keep that thing going.
2) For CPJ's brand of TO, the recent rule changes will make it even harder than the last set of rule changes. Of course, the TO has been around a lot longer cut blocking has so it's not the only way, but then that goes back to 1).

CPJ was one of a kind. Not even GS has been able to follow up with that kind of success. Navy is struggling to maintain that success as well. Sometimes, you catch lightning in a bottle and you just enjoy it while it's there. Happened with Bobby Ross, CPJ. It'll happen again. You know, eventually.

 

[Liberty]

I literally don't see any Clown Coach defenders anymore. I think that band wagon has tipped over and all the barrels of booze have been drunk by now, the staggeringly-drunk defenders having stumbled into oncoming traffic and smashed to jelly by a dozen semi-trucks going 105 mph.

Watching last night's game, it was clear to me that we do not need the TO or a gimmicky offense with II-A-type recruits cast-off by other programs to compete at this level. It was a 1-score game late in the 3rd vs an alleged top-5 team and Sims threw it well all night long.

We do need a coach who can end the asinine false starts, who knows game mgmt and how to use TOs, etc. A guy who can get the OLmen to occasionally hit their assigned blocks.
That eliminates Clown Coach but doesn't require a service academy coach either.

I don’t disagree with you. I think we know who is now the most despised coach ever in GT history and for good reason. This dwag ain’t hunting.

 

[GTsapper]

What about Dave Clawson's scheme over at Wake? Their players can't be any better than ours, recruiting-wise. How is it so impossible for us to find a guy like that with a unique scheme that wins football games? From what I've seen out of them, they don't really do anything that wacky other than put a bit of a spin on the RPO and that slow mesh. It confuses the öööö out of some defenses. Now, will a D-line like Clemson or Georgia öööö up the timing? Of course. But I can stand to lose those games if we don't look like öööö in the other ones.

 

[GTsapper]

And if Clawson won't come here because he sees it as a lateral move (let's face it, right now... it is), what about Warren Ruggiero? He has a good pedigree of QB coaching, and there's gotta be a decent D-coordinator that can at least get a couple of 3 and outs while he keeps scoring.

 

[andrew]

I think in general there are bigger issues for Tech football program than it's coaches. A great coach helps but he can only do so much. The school needs to decide if it cares about football or not.

That decision was made long ago. The school has made it clear that not only do academics come first, but anything that might even be construed as sacrificing academics for athletic success is a no-go. People just don't want to acknowledge it.

 

[GTsapper]

When someone is bigger, badder, and better than you, you don't play the same game as them - you scheme around them. That's what we did with CPJ. Now if we don't want to do it his way, fine I get it. But scheme is the only way we'll be competitive moving forward.

 

[johncu]

I absolutely loved watching the TO and was a fan of the unique identity it gave us. But I don’t miss the scheme. I miss having a coach that was just smarter than the guy on the opposing sideline. That’s been the GT way for every successful coach in my lifetime, and It’s the only way I know of to have a chance at competing with teams more talented than us. Even when we lose, it’s a lot easier to stomach when we play disciplined football and leave everything on the field.

This coach gets outcoached on almost a weekly basis. It’s embarrassing to watch, and seeing Dabo chuckling as CGC wasted a timeout for the millionth time in his career was about as much as I can take.

 

[WracerX]

And if Clawson won't come here because he sees it as a lateral move (let's face it, right now... it is), what about Warren Ruggiero? He has a good pedigree of QB coaching, and there's gotta be a decent D-coordinator that can at least get a couple of 3 and outs while he keeps scoring.

We aren’t a lateral move from Wake. We are in the absolute ööööter and we draw better recruits. Win 7 games and he’d have 40k+ in the stands. Our facilities and funding are better.

Doesn’t mean he would come. He’s unlikely to out perform CPJ, and half the fanbase hates him.

 

[Flywheel]

We were within 4 middle Q3. We forced a 3 and out down 7 late 3rd Qtr…. Except we didn’t because DJ pulled miracle backward pitch the the RB out of his ass when he was dead in the water sacked.

I’m not really trying to argue against your point however. My point was that CPJ wasn’t competitive at the end either with either Clemson or Georgia. What CPJ did though was beat middling teams (except Duke). To date Collins hasn’t proven he can do that.

Key words: at the end.

Bobby Bowden was also uncompetitive. At the end.

The fact of the matter is CPJ won three coach-of-the-year awards at Tech and teabagged a top-ten team in the Orange Bowl. He's arguably the most accomplished Tech coach that didn't win a national title. Geoff came in talking a big game about elevating the program from that standard, and instead he cut the elevator cord.

 

[JoeCakeEater]

Key words: at the end.

Bobby Bowden was also uncompetitive. At the end.

The fact of the matter is CPJ won three coach-of-the-year awards at Tech and teabagged a top-ten team in the Orange Bowl. He's arguably the most accomplished Tech coach that didn't win a national title. Geoff came in talking a big game about elevating the program from that standard, and instead he cut the elevator cord.

Again, missing my point. Plenty on here still wish he was the coach. He was a great coach, but his star was fading fast at the end. Hell, the NCAA had started to adopt rules to make certain blocking techniques Johnson used heavily illegal, etc. Tech made the correct long term decision by moving away from the 3-O. Was CGC the right hire to transition us? It’s questionable at this point.

 

[Flywheel]

Again, missing my point. Plenty on here still wish he was the coach. He was a great coach, but his star was fading fast at the end. Hell, the NCAA had started to adopt rules to make certain blocking techniques Johnson used heavily illegal, etc. Tech made the correct long term decision by moving away from the 3-O. Was CGC the right hire to transition us? It’s questionable at this point.

I hear you. Moving on was the right move, but we clearly bungled the hire badly. And I'll forever defend CPJ's record against anyone who calls it a high school offense.

 

[QuadF]

I've been following the triple option for a long time. I love the triple option. There's several problems:

1) Longevity. It's been out of style forever, and the number of people who run it now are far and few between. One doesn't just dabble in the TO. You commit. Otherwise, you run the risk of this kind of atrocious rebuild (which shouldn't be this bad, but that's another crappy post for another week. There's not enough triple option coaches to keep that thing going.
2) For CPJ's brand of TO, the recent rule changes will make it even harder than the last set of rule changes. Of course, the TO has been around a lot longer cut blocking has so it's not the only way, but then that goes back to 1).

CPJ was one of a kind. Not even GS has been able to follow up with that kind of success. Navy is struggling to maintain that success as well. Sometimes, you catch lightning in a bottle and you just enjoy it while it's there. Happened with Bobby Ross, CPJ. It'll happen again. You know, eventually.

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