How much of this success should we attribute to Collins?

aeromech said:
Imagine being the AD that passes on CBK and hires a more expensive coach who turns out to be unsuccessful.
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Or who turns out successful and flies off to a factory in 2 years. I know Curry ran out on us but Key seems to love being a Jacket.
 
I cannot imagine anyone really believing we would be 3-3 under Collins. I would imagine the percentages if he were still coaching would be 80% 1-5, 15% 2-4, and 5% 3-3.
 
Coach Key inherited a team that was athletically better suited to move forward with a conventional offense than the roster that CGC inherited, and probably better athletes on defense, as well. There were clearly deficiencies in game preparation and game management under Collins that seemed to make Tech unable to beat worse teams and easily embarrassed by better teams. The transformation of Thacker's defense under a different head coach looks inexplicable at this point. I'd give CGC some credit for the roster of athletes, but everything else he touched was a disaster.
 
aeromech said:
The cupboard isn't bare; but it is not fully stocked either.
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Agree. That’s what’s so frustrating about all of this. Collins actually recruited very well to begin with, but he was horrible in the part of the job that would have kept those recruits here (winning, practices, game management). Has he won, we would have kept Gibbs, Ivey, and quite a few others that bailed.
 
TechAKnee said:
I think there is a significant difference between Clemson/Ole Miss and Pitt/Duke that should be considered. With that said, there is zero % chance we win both games with Collins as HC. What Key is showing is that we can be competitive with the remainder of the schedule. That was not a belief many had, especially me, coming out of the UCF game.
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The team under Key would not have lost at UCF. Duke and Pitt are both significantly better than that.
 
77GTFan said:
I cannot imagine anyone really believing we would be 3-3 under Collins. I would imagine the percentages if he were still coaching would be 80% 1-5, 15% 2-4, and 5% 3-3.
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Youre generous. I’d say 95% 1-5, 4% 2-4, 1% 3-3. I expect Duke and Pitt to finish the season with winning records. Collins never beat an FBS team that finished above 500. Carolina was right at 500 end of last season, then finished below after their bowl loss.
 
Key turning it around so quickly demonstrates two things:

1) Collins was doing some things well, because if he wasn't then not even John Heisman could have led us to wins over two good teams immediately

2) Collins was doing a lot of things extremely poorly (duh), and they were completely outweighing anything he was doing well to the point where it didn't look like he was doing anything well
 
What I can’t fully comprehend is given our asst coaches have shown in a short period of time that they are all generally competent, how could they not approach collins as a group and say “hey, we need to practice and game plan differently.” Especially Key as the ahc, shouldn’t he have organized that intervention? Was collins such an overbearing, micromanaging ass that everyone knew that this approach wouldn’t work(or maybe they tried it and got shot down). I have to believe that key and long would have had this discussion after developing some level of trust in each other. Or were they just waiting for the wheels to come off knowing collins would get canned. It all just boggles my mind.
 
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