I dont know if it is fair to gripe about the talent disparity w/UGA

Interesting article along these same lines over on From the Rumble Seat:

https://www.fromtherumbleseat.com/2018/11/26/18111592/monday-musings-forging-a-path-forward

I don't necessarily agree with some of the points (not necessarily on the "replace CPJ with a more modern oddball offense," think he's a little too strong in the "we'll never beat U[sic]GA so let's focus on Duke" stuff), but the idea of recontextualizing and adjusting how we measure success (to focus on the teams where the playing field is more level) makes a lot of sense. It's what I was saying earlier in this thread, and I think it's what CPJ was saying a few years ago about "bigger fish to fry" (winning the ACC versus beating U[sic]GA).

It's hard to say all this in a way that doesn't seem defeatist, but one path ends in misery more often than not and the other at least lets you wring some enjoyment out of most seasons.

JRjr
 
Here is what we need if we want to attempt to compete yearly with UGA and the other big boys:

Bielema’s support staff last season totaled 18 members to rank 13th in the 14-team SEC, according to an Orlando Sentinel survey of 2016 media guides. Alabama and Georgia boast 29 support staff members, South Carolina 25, Florida 23 and LSU 23.

Schools can have nine on-field coaches, five strength and conditioning coaches and four graduate assistants. Support staff members are unlimited — and continue to grow in number.

Saban’s support staff is so vast and fluid it might help if everyone wore name tags.

“I was there three years, and I still didn't learn everybody's name in that building,” Kiffin said in May during an interview with an Arkansas radio station, according to CBSSports.com. “There were so many people.”
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Which means $$ and lots of it.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/spo...ollege-football-support-staff-0709-story.html

Where do we currently stand in this arms race? Do we have half the staff of UGA, I honestly don't know.
 
aeromech said:
Here is what we need if we want to attempt to compete yearly with UGA and the other big boys:



Which means $$ and lots of it.

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/spo...ollege-football-support-staff-0709-story.html

Where do we currently stand in this arms race? Do we have half the staff of UGA, I honestly don't know.
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We have 5. This was their first full year on the job.

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EDIT: I said 4 before but it's actually 5.

http://ramblinwreck.com/georgia-tech-football-announces-staff-additions/

3 staff and 2 GAs.
 
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Yukonwreck said:
You aren't comprehending what was written. He said recruits are now picking and choosing where to play based upon the likelihood of a school getting into the playoffs. Richt is not there anymore. Georgia has given Alabama their toughest game in the last 30 games. There are less than twenty programs currently capable of producing the record and the political clout necessary to get thru the selection process. Just look at the final four for the last few years. The teams at the top are now "self-generating". Georgia, Clempsen, Alabama, won't "regress any time soon.
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What's being said is speculative at best. Players have always chased championships at football factories. Nothing's changed, and UGA's just hot right now.

Bama and Clemson are the only teams consistently in the playoff. Saban won 3 championships before the playoff. Clemson has reaped the benefit of coaching turnover at USCe, UF, and UGA.

You people are pathetic.
 
andrew said:
Lol

Seriously?
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Sadly, yes.

Check that link I added. It looks like we plan to get 4 full time. We've only filled 3 of the 4. So, even my edit was misleading. It looks like the GA hires were backfilling for Tevin and some other dude.
 
Here's the football staff as listed on the website:
http://ramblinwreck.com/staff-directory/

Paul Johnson Head Coach
Nate Woody Defensive Coordinator/Outside Linebackers
Craig Candeto Quarterbacks/B-Backs Coach
Andy McCollum Inside Linebackers
Lamar Owens A-Backs/Special Teams Coordinator
Buzz Preston Wide Receivers Coach
Jerome Riase Defensive Line
Mike Sewak Offensive Line Coach
Joe Speed Cornerbacks
Ron West Co-Offensive Line
Shiel Wood Safeties

Errin Joe Graduate Assistant Coach
Trey Money Graduate Assistant Coach
Nick Newsome Graduate Assistant Coach
Tyson Wachenheim Graduate Assistant Coach

Paul Nichols Quality Control Specialist/Offense
Bryan Cook Quality Control Specialist/Defense
Tim McGrath Quality Control Specialist/Special Teams

Rod Rook-Chungong Staff Assistant

Mike Huff Director of Football Operations
Kevin Cone Assistant Director of Football Operations

Andy Lutz Director of Player Personnel
Thomas Balkcom Associate Director of Player Personnel
Paul Hamilton Associate Director of Player Personnel
Cody Moore Associate Director of Player Personnel
Tevin Washington Associate Director of Player Personnel

Brittany McCormick Recruiting and Marketing Coordinator
Ryan Wise Digital Content Coordinator
Sarah Woodruff Recruiting Coordinator
Teri Anton Administrative Coordinator
 
GT is ranked 51st in the country when it comes to athletic expenditures.

You get what you pay for.

Unfortunately for the nerds at GT, they don’t realize that having a poor football program actually hurts your academic prowess as well.

Out of state applications for the University of GA doubled last year. Just because of football.

Not sure how willing the Institute is on getting to that level but aiming for a Top 25 budget program doesn’t seem too far-fetched. At least Stansbury fully understands this. We finally have an AD who gets it.
 
wesleyd21 said:
GT is ranked 51st in the country when it comes to athletic expenditures.

You get what you pay for.

Unfortunately for the nerds at GT, they don’t realize that having a poor football program actually hurts your academic prowess as well.

Out of state applications for the University of GA doubled last year. Just because of football.

Not sure how willing the Institute is on getting to that level but aiming for a Top 25 budget program doesn’t seem too far-fetched. At least Stansbury fully understands this. We finally have an AD who gets it.
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We're paying almost equal when comparing interest payments from the entire AA as we are for total football operations on a yearly basis. It's something like $12M vs $14M respectively.

That's embarrassing.
 
wesleyd21 said:
Unfortunately for the nerds at GT, they don’t realize that having a poor football program actually hurts your academic prowess as well.
Out of state applications for the University of GA doubled last year. Just because of football.
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Not buying this, particularly not for an engineering school like Tech. The people who would decide to apply here because we won a few extra football games aren't going to improve our academics. Maybe it would improve our visibility among people who don't actually realize that we already have a school with a national/international academic reputation, and increase the number of admissions applications that we turn down.

JRjr
 
vapspwi said:
My sense of the season after the UVA game was "hey, that was pretty good." 7-4 was sort of my minimum threshold for an acceptable season. 10-1 or 9-2 were within reach if we'd played only a little better (USF special teams, Duke fumbles, first half malaise at Pitt). As it is, we acquitted ourselves pretty well against comparable competition, and it was generally a fun and competitive season. Clemson's the one team in the ACC that feels like they're playing a different game than we are. Sucks that we're the only non-Atlantic team that has to play them every year, but that's the hand we've been dealt. They probably won't stay on top forever.

The one good thing is that U[sic]GA is a non-conference game for us. The bad thing is that the game is at the end of the year, which leaves a bad taste in your mouth, maybe hurts our bowl attractiveness, and kills any sort of momentum and positive vibes at the end of the year. You can solve a lot of that by moving the game earlier in the season, rather than by dropping it.

We do seem to be getting to the point where a normal, decent-to-good team just can't compete with the top tier teams off the field, and therefore on the field (barring occasional flukes). Dunno how you solve that, unless you just create another division above FCS and FBS for the "NFL-lite" teams. Create a new "super conference," have teams get bumped up to the big table if they earn it (UCF undefeated for 2 seasons) and kicked out if they can no longer hang with the big boys. But that's pretty well incompatible with current conference affiliations and traditional rivalries and such. I don't think we'll ever see the NCAA impose any sort of meaningful "salary cap" equivalent on athletic association budgets, or any real academic requirements that would force things back toward parity.

All that to say that we're still competitive with most of the other ACC teams, but we're not playing in the same league as Alabama, U[sic]GA, Ohio State, etc. and I don't see how we ever will. It's not a coaching problem. The limitations of Georgia Tech as a technical university don't help, but I don't think you can really effect enough change there to turn us into Alabama without fundamentally changing the school. Our fan and alumni culture is also incompatible with that type of program (and it's trending the wrong way). You need blind, dumb sheep (like the U[sic]GA fans who have been conditioned with a Pavlovian response to start yelling as soon as a defensive player waves his arms - it's uncanny), and Tech people are too smart and independent (to a fault - we can't even just shut up and wear a white shirt once a year) to blindly pour money and support into the program at a level that will make a difference.

JRjr
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The teams that have changed the paradigm on this (Oregon, Oklahoma State) had huge infusions of cash from ultra-rich donors. But that didn't really help Maryland.
 
TampaBayJacket said:
Yes it was startling to see the difference in players between GT and UGA this past weekend. Yes I agree we looked like we didnt belong on the field with them. However, I dont think it is fair to focus upon this aspect because if you swapped Bama with UGA and had the same results, nobody would blink an eye. We would just shrug and say well, what did you expect? News flash, UGA and Bama are just about equal in talent these days. Dont believe me? Watch the SEC CG this saturday.

UF looked like a HS team vs UGA. Kentucky, who is damn good this year, looked bad too. South Carolina didnt look much different than we did vs UGA. Auburn got drilled. So did Vandy. Those teams are loaded with talent (yes even Vandy) and they looked like weaklings vs UGA. I hate to say it but UGA is about to enter an unprecedented era for them and we will be like everyone else, a bug in their windshield.

In the CFP era, certain teams are now distancing themselves from the pack. It's a positive feedback system that is driving even more five/four stars to only a handful of schools. We aren't much different than other schools in the pack and we should judge ourselves vs the pack rather than vs UGA or you will feel very miserable about our team. It's just the way things are in 2018+.
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The uga ascent is a combination of a few different things:
1) Tech is not competing for any recruits on offense due to our scheme. It used to be that we could get a guy here and there over uga (CJ being one) or get the next best guy at that position (Dwyer is an example). That doesn’t happen now and we may as well be in separate recruiting worlds.

2) Florida and Tennessee have had a lot of coaching turnover in recent past and have sucked balls as a result. This means that their level of recruiting competition for uga is way down and uga is benefitting.

3) uga got Smart who has taken the other two advantages and has put recruiting into hyperdrive. This is in large part with the hype he got from being a longtime Sagan acolyte. Uga’s only true obstacles to recruiting whoever they want right now are Alabama and Clemson. Everyone else is getting stepped on for recruits.
 
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