I wish we still had Tenuta

GTKyle said:
It's not conjecture if you've got good evidence.
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What evidence? When did Tenuta play against this Clemson O-Line? Did Notre Dame play them and smoke them in the first game of the season and I missed it?

Pure conjecture.
 
GTKyle said:
It's not conjecture if you've got good evidence.
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Which supports my point that Ponder would destroy a Tenuta defense.

Face it, Tenuta was a fun, mean cuss to watch, but his schemes are only effective against lesser opponents. Notre Dame shut out San Diego State. Lets see how Tenuta handles DickRod.
 
unforgiven108 said:
Read what I said.....LAST year was the best offense Stafford had in years...not the other two years.

If I recall the other two years UGA had a terrible O-Line, and Knowshon hadn't hit full stride, and they didn't have AJ Green.

As much as you want to validate the things that Tenuta did, (which he did some very good things), he was not consistently good.

Tenuta was hit or miss. When he was on, our defense was electric. When he was off, we got smoked. I'd rather have a DC that gives us a good chance EVERY game, rather than being amazing some games and terrible other games.
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That is a good point. This is Wommack's second year. I don't think anybody is on his bus like we're on PJ's. He hasn't thrilled anybody yet, but I'm not ready to send him packing either. Its going to take some time to see how it all pans out.

I do like the fact that where Tenuta got sacks, it seems we are getting interceptions.
 
unforgiven108 said:
Again...best offense that UGAg has seen in years.

I'd have to look at the 51-7 to recall the players in that system (I think it was the David's era), but their offense then was not what they had at hand last year.
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Tenuta held UGA to 14 points the year UGA won the SEC, but somehow he wouldn't be able to allow less than 42 points last year? Take off your gold colored glasses and realize that Tenuta was simply a better DC than Wommack.

There is a reason we blitzed so much and used that scheme: we simply don't have the athletes that big schools do so we can't run the same scheme they do.
 
GTKyle said:
The difference is "smoking" Tenuta's offense meant giving up 24 points. That has become the norm now.
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41 to duke, 51 to UGA, 40 to FSU (And not the noles), 38 to WVU, 51 to VPI, 38 to Utah, 39 to Clemson.

Tenuta had at least one to two games every year where someone blasted his defense. Going by that standard...wommack had two games last year where someone 'blasted' our defense. 42 to UGA in a winning effort I should add. And 38 to LSU.

LSU and UGA are != Duke and Fresno State I might add.
 
Allen Koholic said:
Which supports my point that Ponder would destroy a Tenuta defense.

Face it, Tenuta was a fun, mean cuss to watch, but his schemes are only effective against lesser opponents. Notre Dame shut out San Diego State. Lets see how Tenuta handles DickRod.
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What are you talking about? He held ND to 14 points in 06, UGA to 14 in 05 and 16 in 06, Miami to 10 in 03, and I am sure there are more.

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GTKyle said:
Tenuta held UGA to 14 points the year UGA won the SEC, but somehow he wouldn't be able to allow less than 42 points last year? Take off your gold colored glasses and realize that Tenuta was simply a better DC than Wommack.

There is a reason we blitzed so much and used that scheme: we simply don't have the athletes that big schools do so we can't run the same scheme they do.
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And yet with these same athletes and in a scheme that doesn't utilize blitzing, wommack was STILL able to field a top 25 defense last year in a brand new scheme...so how does that work out for you?

I may have gold colored glasses, but as I said, when Tenuta was on, he was on, but when he missed he missed big.
 
The 38 against WVU is even more damning because our defense lost that football game.

Plus, I'll take 42 points to UGA in a win over 51 in a loss.
 
GTKyle said:
The difference is "smoking" Tenuta's offense meant giving up 24 points. That has become the norm now.
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Funny how 24 is the norm when we gave up 20ppg last year on defense. Minus UGAg and LSU (probably two hardest opponents we played all year) it was an even better 16.7ppg.

I'll take that.
 
unforgiven108 said:
Funny how 24 is the norm when we gave up 20ppg last year on defense. Minus UGAg and LSU (probably two hardest opponents we played all year) it was an even better 16.7ppg.

I'll take that.
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We had an outstanding defensive line and morgan burnett at safety. He really didn't really have to do much. Plus, when we played anybody with any semblance of an offense we got smoked: FSU, UNC, LSU, UGA.

We were lucky to win FSU and UGA, but still gave up 28 and 42 points, respectively.
 
GTKyle said:
What are you talking about? He held ND to 14 points in 06, UGA to 14 in 05 and 16 in 06, Miami to 10 in 03, and I am sure there are more.

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Yea that Miami game in '03 was a real gem. I assume you're talking about '05, when he held the magnificant Kyle Wright to 10 points. And DJ Shockley was the QB for UGA in '05, who is another crap QB. I'll give you Brady Quinn, but that makes two quarterbacks that Tenuta managed to do well against.

See BC '07, VT '07, UGA '07, Fresno State '07(as the head coach), Clemson '06, VT '05, Utah '05, Miami '04, Clemson '03.
 
GTKyle said:
We had an outstanding defensive line and morgan burnett at safety. He really didn't really have to do much. Plus, when we played anybody with any semblance of an offense we got smoked: FSU, UNC, LSU, UGA.

We were lucky to win FSU, but still gave up 28 points.
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Are you trying to imply we did not have outstanding Defensive players under Tenuta???

I hope you aren't. We had players like Morgan Burnette in Tenuta's time as well, the difference is that Wommack knows how to use DB's / S for something other than blitzing.
 
unforgiven108 said:
Are you trying to imply we did not have outstanding Defensive players under Tenuta???

I hope you aren't. We had players like Morgan Burnette in Tenuta's time as well, the difference is that Wommack knows how to use DB's / S for something other than blitzing.
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Eric Henderson, Michael Johnson, Phillip Wheeler, Kenny Scott, KaMichael Hall, Gerris Wilkinson....yeah Tenuta didn't have much talent here.
 
Kyle, your arguments are getting less and less rational. You're trying to pass off a personal opinion as an iron-clad truth. Stop. You're being adversarial for nothing more then giggles, and you're doing it poorly.

Tenuta is a fun coach to watch, but he runs a blitz-happy, feast or famine system, one that especially marginalizes the D-Line. His secondaries wavered from average to atrocious, and he decided to leave for ND. Get over it.
 
kyle, give up now man

you are just digging deeper into a hole that depends on a guy that yells ROCK
 
Allen Koholic said:
Yea that Miami game in '03 was a real gem. I assume you're talking about '05, when he held the magnificant Kyle Wright to 10 points. And DJ Shockley was the QB for UGA in '05, who is another crap QB. I'll give you Brady Quinn, but that makes two quarterbacks that Tenuta managed to do well against.

See BC '07, VT '07, UGA '07, Fresno State '07(as the head coach), Clemson '06, VT '05, Utah '05, Miami '04, Clemson '03.
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I can pick out just as many games from last year too. It's hard to count Fresno State as that was a unique situation.

Most elite QBs are going to do well against any defense -- that is why they are elite. The fact that Tenuta was able to shut down at least two NFL QBs is amazing. In contrast, Wommack has shut down ZERO.

IMO we win Thursday's game 31-10 with Tenuta.
 
Allen Koholic said:
Kyle, your arguments are getting less and less rational. You're trying to pass off a personal opinion as an iron-clad truth. Stop. You're being adversarial for nothing more then giggles, and you're doing it poorly.

Tenuta is a fun coach to watch, but he runs a blitz-happy, feast or famine system, one that especially marginalizes the D-Line. His secondaries wavered from average to atrocious, and he decided to leave for ND. Get over it.
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It's my opinion, but I have evidence to support it. You can prefer Wommack, that's fine, but I just hope it's for real reasons and not from this "CPJ can do no wrong" thought process.

The secondaries at Tech have usually been bad to mediocre here even before Tenuta. That is why Tenuta's scheme was so crucial to our success. We are never going to get the 4.3 40 shut down corner like UF is. Even this year (comprised of all of Tenuta's recruits) which is supposedly Tech's best secondary ever is only 3rd best in the ACC.
 
Again, find me a stretch of three consecutive games where Tenuta allowed an average of 36 PPG or more or back to back 35+ point performances.
 
Tenuta is easy to beat if your quarterback can throw quick short passes on a 3-step drop. His infamous blitz doesn’t have time to get to the QB and the secondary playing man coverage has to play deep so they don’t give up the big play. Sail down the field 10 -15 yds a clip. Do you remember Boston College with Mat Ryan? Perfect example!


Tenuta’s response at half time during the bowl game with Fresno State brought his "brilliance" to the forefront. When asked why he went for it on 4th and 8+/- around the 50 with less than 2 minutes remaining in the half he replied something to the effect that we couldn’t stop their offense so we might as well go for it. Instead of punting and pushing them back another 40 yards (yes we had Durant Brooks), he cuts the field in half for our struggling defense.
I do not miss Tenuta!
 
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