If Tech Won't Take A GA Boy...

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If Tech Won\'t Take A GA Boy...

who may be marginal academically but a good football player over a darn yankee, then take Georgia out of the name and put Notre or National or Hanoi but take GEORGIA out of it! Man I've bled gold and white for 45 years and I'm a fan of GEORGIA Tech, not a mini Notre Shame!

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What????

So you want us to take guys who are marginal academically just because they're from GA? I know, why don't we start a remedial ed program to get them some hours for stuff they should have done in HS. Then we could get some people to write their papers for them. Yeah, that's the ticket!!

Seriously I don't have a problem with a couple of kids a year who are risky, but we can't make it a habit. I think the way the NCAA calculates grad rates is bogus but the bottom line is that our classroom performance is ridiculous and it needs to improve. If we have to go out of state to fill out our recruiting classes then so be it. If we start filling the program with marginal kids we will be doing them the program and the Institute a disservice.
 
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if Tech takes a marginal student but a good football player from georgia over a good student AND a good football player from anywhere in the freakin world ..

might as well take TECH out of the name ..

hmm .. there's already a Georgia .. hmmmm

i'm a fan of Georgia TECH .. not Georgia ..

TO HELL WITH GEORGIA
 
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South Ga is correct. When did this school stop being in the state of Georgia? Scholastically marginal Georgia high school players, who excel at football, should always be picked over sleepers from anywhere else. Its good for the state, AND for the player and his family.
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THats why we have a 36% graduation rate.
 
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BDG, I would argue that it isn't good for anybody if the kid can't cut it academically. He feels like a failure, his family is embarrassed and we look like fools on our grad rates (as much as I hate them). And I never said we should take sleepers from other states over Georgia kids. What I said was we shouldn't take too many chances on kids who are marginal. And by inference, that we should continue to look for good football players who are also good students wherever they live.

BTW, not all Tech alumni are from Ga or live in Ga. We expect our alma mater to live up to higher standards than our neighbors to the East. I understand that Tech has always taken more in-state kids with lower scores than out of state, which is as it should be. I also understand that Tech still flunks them out if they can't cut it. I don't think that's the way to build a football/athletic program. And if we don't flunk them out if they deserve it we are cheapening the degree I and many others sweated over. The day that happens is the day I stop caring about the Jackets.
 
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Its good for the state, AND for the player and his family.
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">What about the Institute, the athletic program, and the football team?
 
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SouthGa makes a valid point. Ga Tech is a public school supported with Georgia tax dollars founded with the intent to educate Georgians so as to have some know-how of engineering, architecture, science, and math in the state.

Has our obsession with collegiate athletics so skewed our perspective that we now place winning football teams over educating our own?
 
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goldbuzz, I think Tech does an outstanding job educating Georgians. But what does that have to do with the football team? Let's face it, the kids we are talking about would never have the opportunity to go to Tech if they weren't athletes. All I'm saying is that we should be very careful about accepting kids just because they are jocks if we don't think they can do the work, no matter where they are from. I am not saying that given equal academics we should take an out of state kid first, I am just saying don't take a risk simply because the kid is from Goergia if there are qualified kids from out of state who can also play.
 
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I benefited from the lower admission standards available to high school students in Georgia that want to attend GT. From my experience, a marginal academic person with all of the demands of D1 college football is in a world of hurt at GT.

I graduated but had to work my tail off. I can't imagine doing it with the full time demand of football. Tutoring would be a big help but how much time is there for tutoring after class, football practise, weight training, and studying game films?

Our coaches are paid to make these decisions. If they make enough wrong decisions, they get fired. I would put my trust in the coaches. What is wrong with bringing in smart and talented football players? I don't care where they are from. I think that combination of student athelete is a good representative for GT!
 
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Goldbuzz, with all due respect to your post, do we not have non-athletic students at Tech from the State of Georgia studying these academic fields?

Make no bones about it, recruiting is for the football team and not to satisfy the needs of employers in Georgia. The real reason for football scholarships is to field a good football team to represent GT, not for academics. If we were going strictly for academics to satisfy the needs of Georgia employers, we would not field a football team.

It is true, we have higher academic standards than most of the colleges. The players we recruit must be able to handle the academics, but the main reason is to play football.

I believe the coaches will take any good football player from Georgia they feel can handle the academic responsibilities, but, personally, I see no problem in broadening the list to include possibly better and more qualified recruitable candidates.

I wish we could have all of our athletes from Georgia, but we have to be reasonable and recruit those from Georgia that are good and can make the grades, then broaden the field to include other good elligible players. I feel this is exactly the direction the program is headed.

I have not found one edict from GT stating they were not considering elligible recruits from Georgia.

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Isn't the average SAT score for our scholarshipped football players surprisely close to the average SAT score for UGA scholarshipped football players?

My recollection is that one year about ten years ago – they were identical.

I thought our recruiting was limited by our limited curriculum in that we had to find players who had an interest in one of our majors and there is no cake walk.

I know I'm going to catch it for this post - but that is my impression. Have our average SAT scores gone up in recent years?
 
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If the great State of Georgia was not at or near the very bottom of the heap that is the national public education system I would question why there are not more recruits from Georgia... Stated another way... there are 49 states that have high school graduates with better academic capabilities than anything in Georgia... So this state is a perenial loser academically, combined with the TECH admission policy and academic standards being one of the most difficult in the nation it's a wonder that the State of Georgia has ANY students at GEORGIA TECH... leave alone student athletes... with apologies to the students that are Georgia residents who have shifted the curve ever so slightly... they have over achieved in a public school system that produces an unprecedented number of academic failures...
I don't care where the recruits come from...
They should FIRST and foremost be GOOD STUDENTS, SECONDLY they should be GOOD CITIZENS, it's so nice to open hear news reports and have faith that we will rarely hear about the TECH athlete that beats his girlfriend, is the teams drug dealer, or drives his car over an officer of the law... Finally I expect the TECH student athlete to PLAY SMART and WITH HONOUR... these are the traditions at TECH... we have won maintaining these traditions and I see no reason why we should alter those standards... ANYONE who expects ANYTHING less is NOT a loyal TECH fan... and I suspect has never spent a day in the classroom at GEORGIA TECH... I challenge any of you to watch the Georgia Tech ad during our televised games... that is what Georgia Tech is... an academic leader world wide that has for 100+ years produced leaders in every field of honour of which football is a small part... I'll get off my soap box now...

Beat Dook.... GO JACKETS!!! thwg... 'nuf said
 
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Yeah CrackerJacket, I smell a dawg too.

Ugag recruiters try to scare athletes away from GT by showing them a calculus book. We ought to turn that into a plus by saying that we provide excellent tutoring so that when the S-A graduates from GT, he will know calculus and things that 99.99999% of other leg humpers and their coaches and fans will never know.

GT is the elite school. Anybody can go to Ugag and get through it. But friends, making it at GT is the toughest thing that I have ever done. I envy the tutoring opportunities available to our S-A's.
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SouthGa is more of a Tech fan than most of you. Why do some of you always want to attack a Tech fan because he disagrees with you?
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I was a marginal student coming to Tech. I became a better student, and person, after being given the chance to show what I could do. I am financially successful today thanks to hard work and Ga. Tech.
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If we sign all marginal student athletes then you guys will bash Braine and Gailey about graduation rates. If some of you could not "bitch" you would have no life!!
 
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Actually .. based on this article.. the NCAA is, in effect, lowering the standards in terms of the SAT.... it will be up to the administrations of each college...

A Score of 400 allows you to play !!

I can understand the emotion of wanting Georgia kids on the Tech squad... but, in my opinion, I dont really care where they come from .. Joe Hamilton, Kerry Watkins, Dez White, etc.. werent Georgia kids.. and it didnt matter to me... it wont matter to me in regards to our future stars either... I just want what Gailey has stated... guys who can help us win the ACC and beat Georgia every year... as I have said in the past... they could all come from Alaska .. I dont care.
 
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So you are comfortable with the direction our recruiting is currently going?
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G TECH is paid for by the TAXPAYERS of Georgia. Nothing wrong with kids from out of state, but the purpose of this school is to educate the students of Georgia and if we must adjust our standards to allow the students of this state entrance until they can raise their standards then so be it. It is not dumbing down, it is servicing the people who are paying your bills. This elistist attitude is hurting us a great deal throughout the state. "You go ahead and pay for our buildings, programs, and professors but do not dare to let your substandard child attempt to go to school here. Just keep giving us money."
 
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Techstinger, are we really comparing apples to apples. I don't believe GT is trying to recruit non-athletes from the other States over the State of Georgia.

Doesn't the non-athlete from other States have to pay a higher tuition to attend a college in Georgia? Doesn't the non-athlete in Georgia get a better break on going to in-State colleges?

As far as the football team is concerned, does the football receipts pay for their tuition and expenses of the football players? We are just expanding the search for football players beyond the State of Georgia in Gailey's program.

He is still considering any qualified good athlete from Georgia, he is just expanding the recruiting to a broader base.

It appears there is a difference in where the money comes from for tuitions for non-athletes as compared to the athletes. I think this is true, but maybe I am off base here. Someone on the board can either confirm this or correct this assumption.

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