If Tech Won't Take A GA Boy...
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I smell a dawg.
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1st off lets admit to ourselfs and fans of GT the standards of GT are high and should remain that way. UNTIL the NCAA requires that all schools the Alabamas, UGally etc have the same or similar requirements then there will always be problems recruiting from Ga. and most probably many other southern states. I personally don't care if a player comes from Podunk Hi in Podunk Indiana if he makes the grades, plays well then lets go after him. If a Ga. kid wants to play for Tech he should start preparing himself in the 8th or 9th grade to make the grades and get a good report on his SAT's or he will end up being a dawg.
1st off lets admit to ourselfs and fans of GT the standards of GT are high and should remain that way. UNTIL the NCAA requires that all schools the Alabamas, UGally etc have the same or similar requirements then there will always be problems recruiting from Ga. and most probably many other southern states. I personally don't care if a player comes from Podunk Hi in Podunk Indiana if he makes the grades, plays well then lets go after him. If a Ga. kid wants to play for Tech he should start preparing himself in the 8th or 9th grade to make the grades and get a good report on his SAT's or he will end up being a dawg.
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AH, I may be wrong, but I believe a grant in aid pays for what the student would be responsible for, which I understand is a certain percentage of the tuition, etc. Every student at the uni sys of Ga is subsidized by the taxpayer. IOW, the student pays "x" percent of the total cost of tuition and the taxpayer pays "x" percent of the tuition. I have no problem recruiting all over the world but I am tired of hearing "keyrap" about state of Ga students (yes I am talking about SA's) not being able to qualify. If they can not then GT needs to change standards to service the students of this state, even athletes, because this school is paid for by the taxpayers.
AH, I may be wrong, but I believe a grant in aid pays for what the student would be responsible for, which I understand is a certain percentage of the tuition, etc. Every student at the uni sys of Ga is subsidized by the taxpayer. IOW, the student pays "x" percent of the total cost of tuition and the taxpayer pays "x" percent of the tuition. I have no problem recruiting all over the world but I am tired of hearing "keyrap" about state of Ga students (yes I am talking about SA's) not being able to qualify. If they can not then GT needs to change standards to service the students of this state, even athletes, because this school is paid for by the taxpayers.
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Techstinger, I yield to your knowledge on this issue, because I know zero regarding the tuition payments for athletic and non-athletic participation at GT. I have heard different family and friends talk about the in-State and out-State variations, but I have no personal knowledge of tuition guidelines.
Techstinger, I yield to your knowledge on this issue, because I know zero regarding the tuition payments for athletic and non-athletic participation at GT. I have heard different family and friends talk about the in-State and out-State variations, but I have no personal knowledge of tuition guidelines.
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The mission of Georgia Tech is not to educate the "masses" but to provide higher eductation at the highest standard in technology related areas. No where in GT's charter is there anything abot educating the masses. That is wht the state has community colleges, junior colleges, and other 4 year schools in addition to GT and UGA
The mission of Georgia Tech is not to educate the "masses" but to provide higher eductation at the highest standard in technology related areas. No where in GT's charter is there anything abot educating the masses. That is wht the state has community colleges, junior colleges, and other 4 year schools in addition to GT and UGA
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TECHZ yes Football is a large part of TECH tradition etc... but the primary concern here is EDUCATION... Football and all sports have traditionally been diversionary pursuits to allow one a chance to escape the pressures of academics... this traditon dates so far back... i.e. before the new world that it is not debatable... because it has become a big money issue recently (last 100 years) should not change or alter the fact that students go to school to learn how to advance our society... lowering admission standards so GA TECH can play a few more players is hypocritical of what the team is supposed to represent... especially in the world of science and technology where engineers et al are given problems that many others have not been able to solve... We are a Techinical Institute made up of over achievers... GA TECH is tough, damn tough, besides SA's it has one of the highest drop out rates of any school... and we're not talking about marginal qualifiers in the general student body... students that are accepted to attend TECH are the cream of the crop from all over the world, IT TOOK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 400 YEARS TO UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT WHAT IS NOW MINIMUM ADMISSION KNOWLEDGE, and 30%-40% of those don't "get out" with the sheepskin...
I'm a huge Tech fan and a huge college football fan... I would never want to hear the talk of dropping TECH's Div 1 program again but I don't think we should expect TECH to lower it's academic standards for these or any other SA's...
There are plenty of qualified SA's out there that can play ball, and yes I believe that we should make allowances for SOME 'marginal' qualifiers but if we lower the standards for SA's then they no longer represent the student body accurately... besides there are lots of schools that have lower admission requirements that couldn't win a game to save their life... so that is not the end all beat all way to ensure victories ...
TECHZ yes Football is a large part of TECH tradition etc... but the primary concern here is EDUCATION... Football and all sports have traditionally been diversionary pursuits to allow one a chance to escape the pressures of academics... this traditon dates so far back... i.e. before the new world that it is not debatable... because it has become a big money issue recently (last 100 years) should not change or alter the fact that students go to school to learn how to advance our society... lowering admission standards so GA TECH can play a few more players is hypocritical of what the team is supposed to represent... especially in the world of science and technology where engineers et al are given problems that many others have not been able to solve... We are a Techinical Institute made up of over achievers... GA TECH is tough, damn tough, besides SA's it has one of the highest drop out rates of any school... and we're not talking about marginal qualifiers in the general student body... students that are accepted to attend TECH are the cream of the crop from all over the world, IT TOOK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 400 YEARS TO UNDERSTAND AND ACCEPT WHAT IS NOW MINIMUM ADMISSION KNOWLEDGE, and 30%-40% of those don't "get out" with the sheepskin...
I'm a huge Tech fan and a huge college football fan... I would never want to hear the talk of dropping TECH's Div 1 program again but I don't think we should expect TECH to lower it's academic standards for these or any other SA's...
There are plenty of qualified SA's out there that can play ball, and yes I believe that we should make allowances for SOME 'marginal' qualifiers but if we lower the standards for SA's then they no longer represent the student body accurately... besides there are lots of schools that have lower admission requirements that couldn't win a game to save their life... so that is not the end all beat all way to ensure victories ...
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<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">I don't know where you have been living but it certaintly hasn't been in the real world. Many colleges (including GT)have SA test averages 300 - 400 points lower than the overall student body.
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The olympics which were held on the GT campus gave us world wide renown. There was a hunger created for many people to have their child go to GT. It spilled over into athletics.
Now the sparkle can be kept alive IF we highlight our academics. Rather than academics being a problem at GT, they should be the biggest enticement for the real student-athletes coming out of HS. I emphasize "student" as much as "athlete."
Tutoring, an old program, can be a new qualitative concept. We need to upgrade the tutoring to a formal level matching the class attendance and test-taking requirements of regular courses. The student would take the minimum full-time hours and then attend the tutoring sessions which would literally put the info in the students brain.
We need a draw. Our draw could exceed everybody else if we add academic excellence, as a positive r/t a negative, on top of our great traditions in sports and other things.
If handled right, we could get our choice of athletes first and all other schools would be left with the remainder.
Notre Dame is using this approach with quite good success, and so is Stanford. Only GT, the best of all, seems to think that our academics is something that we have to overcome. No, academics are to our advantage. It is Ugag which has to overcome a problem with academics.
The olympics which were held on the GT campus gave us world wide renown. There was a hunger created for many people to have their child go to GT. It spilled over into athletics.
Now the sparkle can be kept alive IF we highlight our academics. Rather than academics being a problem at GT, they should be the biggest enticement for the real student-athletes coming out of HS. I emphasize "student" as much as "athlete."
Tutoring, an old program, can be a new qualitative concept. We need to upgrade the tutoring to a formal level matching the class attendance and test-taking requirements of regular courses. The student would take the minimum full-time hours and then attend the tutoring sessions which would literally put the info in the students brain.
We need a draw. Our draw could exceed everybody else if we add academic excellence, as a positive r/t a negative, on top of our great traditions in sports and other things.
If handled right, we could get our choice of athletes first and all other schools would be left with the remainder.
Notre Dame is using this approach with quite good success, and so is Stanford. Only GT, the best of all, seems to think that our academics is something that we have to overcome. No, academics are to our advantage. It is Ugag which has to overcome a problem with academics.
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Actually goldmember I think you are wrong. What I have seen is that our last couple of recruiting classes averaged around 1000 on the SATs, no way our overall student body averaged 1400. But the point you were making is correct, SA overall will have lower scores than the general student body. I think the more important point however is not just what their SAT is, but that we must get better at predicting success in school. Many on here have pointed out that O'Leary was able to get marginal players in school. OTOH he didn't graduate many. While the grad rates the NCAA keeps are flawed IMO, 36% is still ridiculous and embarrassing to me as an alum.
Actually goldmember I think you are wrong. What I have seen is that our last couple of recruiting classes averaged around 1000 on the SATs, no way our overall student body averaged 1400. But the point you were making is correct, SA overall will have lower scores than the general student body. I think the more important point however is not just what their SAT is, but that we must get better at predicting success in school. Many on here have pointed out that O'Leary was able to get marginal players in school. OTOH he didn't graduate many. While the grad rates the NCAA keeps are flawed IMO, 36% is still ridiculous and embarrassing to me as an alum.
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average SAT of incoming class this year is 1330.
average SAT of incoming class this year is 1330.
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MANY, MANY, MANY valid points. I would just state again that the TAXPAYERS of Georgia pay for this school and we have an obligation FIRST to the students (including SA's) of this state. Do not understand how this point can be argued. And I may be wrong, but I think at least half of the student body does not major in engineering, but I could be wrong. No reason any in state SA's should be able to get in ugag and not GT.
MANY, MANY, MANY valid points. I would just state again that the TAXPAYERS of Georgia pay for this school and we have an obligation FIRST to the students (including SA's) of this state. Do not understand how this point can be argued. And I may be wrong, but I think at least half of the student body does not major in engineering, but I could be wrong. No reason any in state SA's should be able to get in ugag and not GT.
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Textstinger..........go read what the mission of Georgia Tech is ........it is not here to educated the masses in the state of ga. There are community colleges, junior colleges, and other four year colleges in the state for that. Tech has a unique mission
Textstinger..........go read what the mission of Georgia Tech is ........it is not here to educated the masses in the state of ga. There are community colleges, junior colleges, and other four year colleges in the state for that. Tech has a unique mission
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I may be wrong , but I believe there are a couple of ex football Techman in the football dept woe may have been marginal academic wise , but they both persevered with hard work and got there deploma!!!!!!! So whose to say when given the chance another athlete won't suceed? I have always been grateful to these guys not only being the great players they were, but also the outstanding character.
I may be wrong , but I believe there are a couple of ex football Techman in the football dept woe may have been marginal academic wise , but they both persevered with hard work and got there deploma!!!!!!! So whose to say when given the chance another athlete won't suceed? I have always been grateful to these guys not only being the great players they were, but also the outstanding character.
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Respectfully, FH, why is it unhealthy and what are the syptoms of the "sickness?"
Respectfully, FH, why is it unhealthy and what are the syptoms of the "sickness?"
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Let me try this again. If a Ga kid can help the football team and the coaches and admissions office believe he can do the work with a low SAT I say bring him in. I have no problem with that. However, if they don't feel he can cut it we shouldn't offer, even if GA wants him. We do a disservice to the kid and his family IMO if we really don't think he can do the work, or has no real interest in any majors we have.
IMO the trouble Joe Burns ran into is that he really didn't want to take Mgt. It sounded like he took every lower level and electives he could and then had to get around to the required courses. I'm not saying he couldn't do the work, but you have to want to do it (I mean have an interest). I may be way off on this, but I can relate. We shouldn't put kids in that situation just so we can watch them play football.
Let me try this again. If a Ga kid can help the football team and the coaches and admissions office believe he can do the work with a low SAT I say bring him in. I have no problem with that. However, if they don't feel he can cut it we shouldn't offer, even if GA wants him. We do a disservice to the kid and his family IMO if we really don't think he can do the work, or has no real interest in any majors we have.
IMO the trouble Joe Burns ran into is that he really didn't want to take Mgt. It sounded like he took every lower level and electives he could and then had to get around to the required courses. I'm not saying he couldn't do the work, but you have to want to do it (I mean have an interest). I may be way off on this, but I can relate. We shouldn't put kids in that situation just so we can watch them play football.
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goldmember,not recommending lower stds, but I hope you don't believe the football team is or has for many many years been representative of the student body! Several of our most treasured heroes were no stronger academically than the vast majority of our opponet's starters. One can very quickly get way out an hypocritical limb on this topic.
nc, the actual avg SAT for the most recent regular student class is 1375. THWG
goldmember,not recommending lower stds, but I hope you don't believe the football team is or has for many many years been representative of the student body! Several of our most treasured heroes were no stronger academically than the vast majority of our opponet's starters. One can very quickly get way out an hypocritical limb on this topic.
nc, the actual avg SAT for the most recent regular student class is 1375. THWG