Interesting Holiday Bowl turn of events

Let them stay home, and insert a team that actually wants to play in a bowl that just missed out.... I understand they are trying to stand up for their teammates, but damn i feel bad for Washington State if this actually happens. Stupid...
 
coit said:
Guilty until proven innocent, I see.
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A joint statement from athletic director Mark Coyle and university president Eric Kaler was released in response to the boycott, which read, "We understand that a lot of confusion and frustration exists as a result of this week's suspension of 10 Gopher Football players from all team activities. The reality is that not everyone can have all of the facts, and unfortunately the University cannot share more information due to federal laws regarding student privacy.”
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More like, quit acting like children. Us adults know more than you slimy dipshits sticking up for your rapey teammates.
 
Title IX requiring schools to be the investigators, prosecutors, judges, and juries for sexual assault without the same due diligence protections that are supposed to exist in the criminal justice system is dumb. The University shouldn't be holding any facts or information, that belongs with the local police department and DA.
 
RamblinWreck09 said:
The University shouldn't be holding any facts or information, that belongs with the local police department and DA.
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I am sure the University would not withhold evidence from the police, since that would constitute obstruction of justice. But there are laws to protect privacy, separate from what constitutes evidence in a criminal case, and the University also would have it's own privacy rules that pertain to students. If the University believes the athletes acted in violation of their established ethical standards, it is within their jurisdiction to suspend them. There is more to maintaining eligibility as a student athlete than just avoiding criminal prosecution.
 
Others are having a harder time seeing the nobility in their actions. To quote one interested party who commented on a related article from DEADSPIN, “What a pathetic hill to die on.”
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Someone help me to understand what, exactly, I'm looking at. Did this woman just quote a Deadspin commenter in her article? Because that's what it looks like.
 
I stopped taking the story seriously when the article invoked the provisions of Title IX in a rape investigation.

If I'm an idiot for not understanding the nexus then fine but it sounds to me like they are trying to drop the biggest hammer in the history of hammers down on these kids just to make the point to the entire universe that Minnesota is not Baylor.

I obviously don't know the details but trying to turn a rape investigation into a civil rights case sounds a bit over the top. Besides, the players themselves are not governed by Title 9 - the university is.

I also noted that the coach is siding with the players. That is not always a good sign [/Briles] but in this case, I think it probably is.

One more question. If not playing in the bowl has a materially detrimental economic impact on a player's NFL draft status and that player is subsequently cleared of any suspicion of wrongdoing, can that player then file a reverse discrimination suit against Minnesota and the NCAA?
 
00Burdell said:
One more question. If not playing in the bowl has a materially detrimental economic impact on a player's NFL draft status and that player is subsequently cleared of any suspicion of wrongdoing, can that player then file a reverse discrimination suit against Minnesota and the NCAA?
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Isn't there a precedent for this? Not the same scenario the Minnesota kids are in, but I thought someone had filed a lawsuit against the NCAA for this sort of thing. Of course, if they go that route, by the time the players have seen it through and get their money, one of their former peers in the NFL will have made that much in a day off.
 
The Jacket said:
Someone help me to understand what, exactly, I'm looking at. Did this woman just quote a Deadspin commenter in her article? Because that's what it looks like.
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"Here's my opinion, but I'll attribute it to someone else by cherry picking some deadspin comments to maintain a thin veil of objectivity and insinuate that journalistic type work like original research and reporting was done here."
 
The Jacket said:
Isn't there a precedent for this? Not the same scenario the Minnesota kids are in, but I thought someone had filed a lawsuit against the NCAA for this sort of thing. Of course, if they go that route, by the time the players have seen it through and get their money, one of their former peers in the NFL will have made that much in a day off.
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Lets be honest, these kids play for Minnesota, for the vast majority of them a lawsuit settlement is in the upper tier of their potential.
 
jacket67 said:
I am sure the University would not withhold evidence from the police, since that would constitute obstruction of justice. But there are laws to protect privacy, separate from what constitutes evidence in a criminal case, and the University also would have it's own privacy rules that pertain to students. If the University believes the athletes acted in violation of their established ethical standards, it is within their jurisdiction to suspend them. There is more to maintaining eligibility as a student athlete than just avoiding criminal prosecution.
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So where in the student handbook at Minnesota is consensual sex disallowed?
 
GTCrew4b said:
So where in the student handbook at Minnesota is consensual sex disallowed?
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I would guess that there are some separate policies for the student handbook versus for participation in NCAA sports, with the requirements for eligibility being higher for the latter, some of which are directly or indirectly subject to NCAA scrutiny. There are also team rules which don't pertain to all students. I'm mostly speculating, but the standard for sexual consent is sometimes hard to define. For example, if a woman is acting strangely due to a psychiatric disorder, she might be able to give a consent that satisfies a criminal standard, but most people would consider it to fall short of an ethical standard. We might not ever know the details of the case, but the University has expressed that privacy issues preclude them from speaking openly about it. It might turn out that the University is way out of bounds with the suspensions, but the notion that criminal charges are required to authorize suspending players is not always the case.
 
lol, Minnesota being all heavy-handed with this is hilarious considering their former AD was essentially forced into retirement due to his 0wn misconduct with a female reporter. Also considering their basketball team (headed by the son of slime-merchant, Pitino) has been embroiled in controversy for the past 2 years IIRC. The latest transgression was some form of sexual assault following the leaking of a sex tape with a coupla players and young lady.

Way to right the ship, Gophers (or GropeHers?)
 
jacket67 said:
I would guess that there are some separate policies for the student handbook versus for participation in NCAA sports, with the requirements for eligibility being higher for the latter, some of which are directly or indirectly subject to NCAA scrutiny. There are also team rules which don't pertain to all students. I'm mostly speculating, but the standard for sexual consent is sometimes hard to define. For example, if a woman is acting strangely due to a psychiatric disorder, she might be able to give a consent that satisfies a criminal standard, but most people would consider it to fall short of an ethical standard. We might not ever know the details of the case, but the University has expressed that privacy issues preclude them from speaking openly about it. It might turn out that the University is way out of bounds with the suspensions, but the notion that criminal charges are required to authorize suspending players is not always the case.
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We dont know the full details, but from what i've read, some players ran a train on this girl and there were several videos taken. The police concluded that the videos showed it all to be completely consensual, so they dropped the case. Even so, the school suspended 10 and may be expelling 4 or 5 of them. Some of the guys that were suspended were apparently not even a part of the "train", but were just in the apartment at the time. All of this apparently happening out of the blue, months after the incident happened and the case was closed.

I'm not sure the team boycott is going to accomplish anything since it's unlikely the school would cave for fear of setting a precedent, but I understand the sentiment. I know people personally affected by a college immediately siding with the accuser even in absence of evidence in cases like this, and it's really shitty. Minnesota does not have more evidence than the police, which have already cleared the players of wrongdoing with video evidence. If Minnesota wants to play the "ethics" card to suspend/expel these guys for "actions unbecoming of a gopher", or whatever, then I would also expect the female to be expelled for willingly participating (as proven legally by police) in this "unethical" sex act, but of course that wont happen.
 
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