Is their a coach that "learned under" Gailey that is successful?

BarrelORum said:
O'Leary was ascending, and Gailey was descending. Instead of hiring an up and coming coach. We hired someone who already had done the best they could.

Not many people think about it that way, but that is the very reason why not many fans were excited about his hiring.
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You could substitute Pete Carroll for Chan Gailey in there. Or Lou Holtz at the time Notre Dame hired him. Or Dennis Erickson prior to Arizona State hiring him this year.
 
Whether the coaches "learned under" O'Leary isn't really the point. The fact that O'Leary hired coaches that were talented enough to be sought after and receive promotions to coordinator and HC positions from other programs speaks volumes about his ability to hire assistants. Meanwhile, none of Gailey's hires have really moved up the ladder.
 
JTS said:
The fact that O'Leary hired coaches that were talented enough to be sought after and receive promotions to coordinator and HC positions from other programs speaks volumes about his ability to hire assistants.
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Hiring Friedgen (or re-hiring, if you prefer) was the single best thing George did for Tech football.

On the other side, what "speaks volumes" is how George fumbled through defensive coordinators at random until he stumbled on Edsall, his one good DC hire, who he kept for one year, and then went back to the fumbling routine.
 
Hiring Friedgen (or re-hiring, if you prefer) was the single best thing George did for Tech football.
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...but really, credit for that hire probably goes to Ross. O'Leary was really just trying to put together a rough approximation to the 1990 staff.

If the argument is whether Ross > Gailey, I think we can all come to a pretty easy consensus on that.
 
Looking at a coaching tree is a really tenuous thread to try to rate different coaches on. It seems to simply be another venue to vent on Gailey - why stretch to something like this if that is what you want to do anyway.

To get back to whether a coach's prodigee is indicative of their coaching ability - you need to be careful in making that link:

Our beloved sandy haired wacko Cremins was a top coach for GT even if you take issue with the end of his career - and none of his prodigee ever made it in college coaching.

Even look at Coach K at Duke (aka ratface :laugher:). His primary prodigee Amaker has failed at UM and is now back at Haavaaaard. The pretty boy blew up at Missouri and now can't get a job anywhere.

It is a pretty thin string to try to hang Gailey with. If you want to do it stick to other stuff.
 
mm42 said:
You could substitute Pete Carroll for Chan Gailey in there. Or Lou Holtz at the time Notre Dame hired him. Or Dennis Erickson prior to Arizona State hiring him this year.
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I wasn't saying that Gailey's descension is the reason why we shouldn't have expected more than what we have gotten. I was saying from a fans perspective, many people thought that we were getting a recycled coach and just weren't very fond of him to begin with.

The Pete Carroll comparison is very interesting because both Gailey and Carroll at the time of being hired were very similar in situations. Looking back on it, I think many didn't expect much from Gailey because he wasn't an exciting hire, but they placed very high expectations on him because of where he came from. Probably similar to how USC and Carroll, but Carroll proved almost immediately that he was a very good coach which probably silenced any initial critics wondering if he was just a recycled coach.
 
FWIW, Jerry Glanville was also on Pepper's staff.

Pete Hurt was on Gailey's staff at both Birmingham and Samford before taking over for Chan there and coaching more games than anyone (he's also the guy that got suspended at Air Force last year for striking a player).

Rick Rhoades was the DC on Gailey's staff at Troy State when the won the DII Championship before taking over for Chan there and going 28-7-1 (19-2 in conference) and winning their second DII championship. He's currently at Delta State with a 33-19 record, averaging 507.9 yards/game (led the nation in passing in 2003).

On Gailey's Cowboys staff - four current NFL assistants (Joe Avezzano, Raiders ST; George Edwards, Dolphins LB; Clarence Shelmon, Chargers RB; Hudson Houck, Dolphins OL); three NFL Defensive Coordinators (Clancy Pendergast, Cardinals; Jim Bates, asst. HC Denver; Mike Zimmer, Atlanta...probably on Nebraska's short list); one NFL Head Coach, Dave Campo; one D1 Head Coach, Les Miles. Also on the staff - Tommie Robinson, Dwain Painter, Buddy Geis.
 
Romeo Crennel (HC for the Cleveland Browns) coached under Bill Curry at GT in 1980, FWIW.
 
Who cares what coaches do when they're not at GT? I wouldn't even mind if Gailey hired 10 dorm rats to sit on the sidelines in a PS2 LAN party drawing up plays if they were successful.
 
Secretariat was the greatest race horse of all time, but didn't do much as a sire. Affirmed defeated Alydar in 3 close races to win the Triple Crown, yet Alydar has by far been more productive as a stud. Comparing family trees can make for an interesting discussion in the off-season, but I am more interested in results. Gailey could have fathered Bill Belicheck but I don't really give a damn if he doesn't beat the dawgs.
 
cyclejacket said:
Secretariat was the greatest race horse of all time, but didn't do much as a sire. Affirmed defeated Alydar in 3 close races to win the Triple Crown, yet Alydar has by far been more productive as a stud.
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Storm Cat is the greatest sire of our generation. His dam (mother) was Terlingua, a daughter of Secretariat.

And Alydar might have been more productive, but at least Affirmed didn't get whacked by his owner...while still being proclaimed a Triple Crown winner at his death.

Two bad analogies.
 
AllAmericanBuzz said:
Who cares what coaches do when they're not at GT? I wouldn't even mind if Gailey hired 10 dorm rats to sit on the sidelines in a PS2 LAN party drawing up plays if they were successful.
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So then why are you posting on a thread discussing coaches who were on other coach's staff?
 
clapper said:
Also on the staff - Tommie Robinson, Dwain Painter, Buddy Geis.
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Wow- I didn't know that. Why, oh why couldn't Gailey have asked Dwain Painter to return to the flats as OC when he took the job? Painter was the 2nd best OC we've ever had here. And not by much.
 
JTS said:
Whether the coaches "learned under" O'Leary isn't really the point. The fact that O'Leary hired coaches that were talented enough to be sought after and receive promotions to coordinator and HC positions from other programs speaks volumes about his ability to hire assistants. Meanwhile, none of Gailey's hires have really moved up the ladder.
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It would be helpful if you would list all of the folks that have worked under Chan, when they were here, and where they are now. Then we could probably have some interesting discussion. You could also take some other coaches and do the same, to show exactly what you are talking about. However, I suspect that you won't do that, because you're not really interested in doing any interesting analysis or putting thought into it, you're probably just interested in busting on our coach with a theory that you thought of in the shower.

If you want to make a point, you should do your own research on it.....or you can just post on a message board. I hate people that say things like "most good coaches do this...." because they've seen one good coach do it. You're probably thinking of how Bobby Bowden has seeded the world with good coordinators and HC's, but what you fail to talk about is that he's been at the same school for 30 years! Or you're thinking about Dean Smith or Roy Williams or Coach K and how they've spawned coaches.

Another thing to remember is that those Hall of Fame coaches have their former assistants placed at other programs partly because they are Hall of Fame coaches, not because those assistants are better than other folks out there. I was at UNC when Dougherty was there, and I can say from first hand experience that he wasn't a great coach, but he got the shot because of his bloodlines and school ties.
 
It would be helpful if you would list all of the folks that have worked under Chan, when they were here, and where they are now.
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Clapper did a good job, a page back.
 
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