Is their a coach that "learned under" Gailey that is successful?

beej67 said:
...but really, credit for that hire probably goes to Ross. O'Leary was really just trying to put together a rough approximation to the 1990 staff.

If the argument is whether Ross > Gailey, I think we can all come to a pretty easy consensus on that.
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What would the consensus have been in '88 or even '89?

And what would Ross have done with the 2006 team and our probation? Would it have been 1990 or 1991?
 
What would the consensus have been in '88 or even '89?
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Apples to apples would mean comparing Ross 88 and 89 to Gailey 03 and 04, which I'd probably give the nod to Ross in a close one, based on criteria of "demonstrating progress." But even so, doesn't it seem a little silly to restrict one coaches body of work and not another's when comparing the two?

And what would Ross have done with the 2006 team and our probation?
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Won 2 more games, likely UGA and Wake, probably still lost the bowl. 11-3 overall.

I'm not bashing Gailey here. I think Gailey's a pretty darn good HC and I hope he wins enough games this year to stave off the handwaving freakouterists and keep his job.
 
refrigeratormover said:
What the hell are you smoking?
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*gulp* Didn't see that one coming...

Tech's ppg output over Painter's tenure ('82-'85) is the exact same as it is for Ralph's '87-'91 stint at 23 ppg.

Ralph averaged 32 ppg in his second tour of duty at Tech putting him in first place but the game changed quite a bit over the intervening 15 years and I think everyone's offensive output increased.

So, had Ralph not come back, he and Painter would be tied for first solely in terms of points per game.

If Painter isn't the 2nd best OC we've had around here then I respectfully have to ask who is?
 
ncjacket said:
So then why are you posting on a thread discussing coaches who were on other coach's staff?
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Because I wanted to know what the draw was to having a great coaching lineage. Is that the true indicator of a great coach? Is it possible for a coach to be good at getting lemonade from lemons (mediocre assistants) who would be worthless, or underused, on other staffs? Are the "great" coaches good at developing their staff members, or simply good at finding talented assistants who would've been successful anyways?

For example, was Steve Spurrier going to be successful regardless of what staff he was on early in his career, or did Pepper directly make that much of an impact on him to be a better coach?
 
00Burdell said:
*gulp* Didn't see that one coming...

Tech's ppg output over Painter's tenure ('82-'85) is the exact same as it is for Ralph's '87-'91 stint at 23 ppg.

Ralph averaged 32 ppg in his second tour of duty at Tech putting him in first place but the game changed quite a bit over the intervening 15 years and I think everyone's offensive output increased.

So, had Ralph not come back, he and Painter would be tied for first solely in terms of points per game.

If Painter isn't the 2nd best OC we've had around here then I respectfully have to ask who is?
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If your going by numbers alone then you are correct!

But to hear Ralph and Dwayne in the same sentence caught me way off guard.
 
Techbert said:
What would the consensus have been in '88 or even '89?
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I introduced Ross at a GT Club meeting as the hardest working coach in college football--prior to the 1988 season. If you understand football, you understood what he was trying to do. It was only a matter of time until it worked.

I can't say the same for Gailey. He is Bill Curry without Curry's good communication skills and personality. Curry is not currently employed as a football coach.
 
jacketup said:
I introduced Ross at a GT Club meeting as the hardest working coach in college football--prior to the 1988 season. If you understand football, you understood what he was trying to do. It was only a matter of time until it worked.

I can't say the same for Gailey. He is Bill Curry without Curry's good communication skills and personality. Curry is not currently employed as a football coach.
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Just asking, Are you questioning Gaileys work ethic? or did I read it wrong?
 
as an aside/update, Dwain (not Dwayne. btw) has spent the last few years in NFL-Europe...both as an OC and Head Coach.
 
clapper said:
Storm Cat is the greatest sire of our generation. His dam (mother) was Terlingua, a daughter of Secretariat.

And Alydar might have been more productive, but at least Affirmed didn't get whacked by his owner...while still being proclaimed a Triple Crown winner at his death.

Two bad analogies.
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Don't get your point clapper. (1) Storm Cat was a grandson of Secretariat, while we are talking direct coaching legacies. You also left out that Storm Cat's other grandfather was Northern Dancer, a great horse in his own right.

(2) Alydar getting "whacked" has nothing to do with his production. And if you read this site long enough you'll see there are several fonts who would "whack" Chan if given the chance. I also understand there are several more at Buzzoff waiting for that opportunity.

Analogy: a similarity between the like features of two things. Ergo: Grandson doesn't = direct coaching legacy, and Dead Horse doesn't = Living coach.

That being said: THWG!
 
00Burdell said:
Tech's ppg output over Painter's tenure ('82-'85) is the exact same as it is for Ralph's '87-'91 stint at 23 ppg.
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Nix' offense averaged 23.5 ppg last year. That would make him 3% better than Painter, right?
 
cyclejacket said:
Don't get your point clapper. (1) Storm Cat was a grandson of Secretariat, while we are talking direct coaching legacies.

(2) Alydar getting "whacked" has nothing to do with his production.
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(1) My point is that the racing genes are passed through the mares, not the stallions. The male side of the line can only enhance, not dominate, direct children. You need to breed a good mare to a good stallion to get a good colt, but you can breed an average mare to a good stallion and pass the stallions genes to the filly's offspring. Secretariat's grandchildren on his daughters' sides would prove his success at stud - Storm Cat, A.P. Indy, Dehere, Summer Squall, Gone West, Honor Grades, Cherokee Rose, Atticus, etc.. The 'direct' analogy doesn't hold.

(2) Alydar was a superior stud to Affirmed. I just couldn't help mentioning that his value in the breeding shed led to his mysterious death.
 
beej67 said:
Apples to apples would mean comparing Ross 88 and 89 to Gailey 03 and 04, which I'd probably give the nod to Ross in a close one, based on criteria of "demonstrating progress." But even so, doesn't it seem a little silly to restrict one coaches body of work and not another's when comparing the two?

Won 2 more games, likely UGA and Wake, probably still lost the bowl. 11-3 overall.

I'm not bashing Gailey here. I think Gailey's a pretty darn good HC and I hope he wins enough games this year to stave off the handwaving freakouterists and keep his job.
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I like both men as HFC's here. But by definition Gailey's body of work is restricted because it has not played out completely.

There are a lot of similarities between the two. Hence, I don't think it is a slam dunk choice. The main one is that one won a national championship here, and the other is still working on it.

Both have had plenty of termites who wanted their scalps. Glad we fought off the termites in 1989, and hope we fight them off this go-around as well. It would have been a crying shame to have fired Ross early in 1989.

And as is true with many of my responses with BJ, I was trying to make a point to a larger audience, and was not tailoring my response to him.
 
My point is that the racing genes are passed through the mares, not the stallions.
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Clearly we should hire Steve Spurrier's Mom as our next HC.
 
beej67 said:
Clearly we should hire Steve Spurrier's Mom as our next HC.
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You need to read for comprehension next time. What we need to do is pay Urban Meyer to screw Spurrier's daughter and then kidnap the offspring.
:FIREdevil:

(I think we just left the tracks.)
 
clapper said:
Nix' offense averaged 23.5 ppg last year. That would make him 3% better than Painter, right?
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Let's start over.

First of all, Nix averaged 24.9 points per game in 2006 (including the bowl game). But I'm not cherry-picking one season and comparing it to someone else's career average. Nix' career average at Tech is 21.8 ppg (22.0, 18.5 and 24.9 in 2004-2006 respectively).

So, no, he's not 3% better than Painter. Nice try, tho.
 
Didn't Bill Lewis coach and learn under Vince Dooley?
Also Bud Carson, Bill Curry, and Pepper Rodgers learned under Bobby Dodd. Maybe even Bill Fulcher.
LOL, this is going nowhere fast. I still think we should have hired whashisname that coached us in the bowl game.
 
00Burdell said:
*gulp* Didn't see that one coming...

Tech's ppg output over Painter's tenure ('82-'85) is the exact same as it is for Ralph's '87-'91 stint at 23 ppg.

Ralph averaged 32 ppg in his second tour of duty at Tech putting him in first place but the game changed quite a bit over the intervening 15 years and I think everyone's offensive output increased.

So, had Ralph not come back, he and Painter would be tied for first solely in terms of points per game.

If Painter isn't the 2nd best OC we've had around here then I respectfully have to ask who is?
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I don't have an answer to your question but I do submit that PPG (counter-intuitively) may not be the best point of comparison for offensive capability. That bears explanation.

A good OC with a team that also has a good defense is likely to score less points than without a good defense. It is just natural to play a different game. We racked up a lot of points often because we needed every one of them. Yes, our offense under Fridge's second tenure may have been slightly better than the first tour, but I think the difference in point production had more to do with our poor defense than a better offense.
 
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