It’s Comical How Bad of a Head Coach Geoff Collins Is/Was

BeeStorm said:
If Collins and Bill Lewis are sitting in front of you, which would you hire for head coach. Knowing everything you know now and you must pick one to avert the end of the world.
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If I was forced to choose I'd go with Lewis. I was too young to remember Lewis's press conferences but Collins was so full of crap. I have no words for how disgustingly bad his press conferences were.

Or, I'd go with Collins and just end it all right there.

 
BeeStorm said:
If Collins and Bill Lewis are sitting in front of you, which would you hire for head coach. Knowing everything you know now and you must pick one to avert the end of the world.
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Lewis. He had no idea how to run a program, but at least acknowledged that the product sucked. Collins could only see the progress. No need to change course.
 
Just got my thinking, Temple was 8-4 and 7-6 with Collins. Just imagine the talent on the field he must have had to run that many games.
 
jacket67 said:
We all have professional strengths and weaknesses, despite our overall good intentions. I don't think CGC was a con man. He was just in over his head as a head coach and had a lot of misguided ideas about how to manage athletes and coaches. So, I don't hate the guy, and I don't think he did long term harm to the program. Just glad we can move on and have optimism without a complete rebuild.
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Yeah, I believe he had good intentions and wanted Tech to be successful, but it's a big strike against you when what you're doing isn't working for over 2 years and you don't make any changes and you insist you're better than what you are (Tech fans don't want to see progress).
 
gtg970g said:
Just got my thinking, Temple was 8-4 and 7-6 with Collins. Just imagine the talent on the field he must have had to run that many games.
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I think it's more likely he was just riding the momentum of the system the previous coach put in place than that he had otherworldly talent.

Had CPJ been a pro style coach I imagine Collins would still be here. The fact that he had to basically start fron the ground up in terms of installing his own system really exposed him.
 
BeeStorm said:
If Collins and Bill Lewis are sitting in front of you, which would you hire for head coach. Knowing everything you know now and you must pick one to avert the end of the world.
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Wow, that's a dark question.

As much as I disdain the choice, I would go with CGC. Bill Lewis took a program that was already established with winning momentum and nosedived it into the ground, losing the players, the fans, and everyone on the way in an incredibly short period of time.

As I pointed out above, the only real thing CGC had going for him was that he was an excellent salesman. While the product he created sucked, he had the chance of selling his way out of it. If he had enough money to throw at it all for staff and NIL he might have been able to sell his way out of his bad decisions and coaching ability. You have to at least give him credit for attracting some top notch talent like Jahmyr Gibbs. If he could have eventually hired the right support staff and NIL his way into the right players, it's possible things could have eventually improved.

From all accounts, Bill Lewis was toxic as head coach during his time at Tech. As bad as CGC was, Bill Lewis was an unmitigated disaster for Georgia Tech.
 
I don't buy that. Any good X's and O's coach would've been able to rebuild with results within a year or 2. We picked a guy that didn't know either one.

andrew said:
I think it's more likely he was just riding the momentum of the system the previous coach put in place than that he had otherworldly talent.

Had CPJ been a pro style coach I imagine Collins would still be here. The fact that he had to basically start fron the ground up in terms of installing his own system really exposed him.
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EagleSting said:
I don't buy that. Any good X's and O's coach would've been able to rebuild with results within a year or 2. We picked a guy that didn't know either one.
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You don't buy that needing to install his own system exposed him as being a bad coach and resulted in him being fired?

Or you don't buy that if he had inherited a system that he could keep he would have been able to win enough to not be fired after only three years despite being a bad coach?
 
I really miss his deep dives and relentless effort and high level and the way he said he loves the players and continuing to improve and yeaaaaahhhh F that guy
 
I apologize for my lack of clarity-

EDIT: Wait, I see what you're saying. A guy like GC would've had a better chance at success if he had taken over a program that had a similar offense like Temple than GT. I would have to agree. It's easier to find a warm body to push the same buttons as the previous guy than to someone who truly knows how to build a program.

andrew said:
You don't buy that needing to install his own system exposed him as being a bad coach and resulted in him being fired?

Or you don't buy that if he had inherited a system that he could keep he would have been able to win enough to not be fired after only three years despite being a bad coach?
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wesgt123 said:
I really miss his deep dives and relentless effort and high level and the way he said he loves the players and continuing to improve and yeaaaaahhhh F that guy
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Don’t forget getting back on the grass and the biggest innovation his last year with us, the get back guy.
 
andrew said:
I think it's more likely he was just riding the momentum of the system the previous coach put in place than that he had otherworldly talent.

Had CPJ been a pro style coach I imagine Collins would still be here. The fact that he had to basically start fron the ground up in terms of installing his own system really exposed him.
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There’s some truth in this, but very few of the players CPJ recruited had been in a TO in HS. Most had come from some sort of RPO, just what he was installing.
 
stinger78 said:
There’s some truth in this, but very few of the players CPJ recruited had been in a TO in HS. Most had come from some sort of RPO, just what he was installing.
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Yeah, I didn't mean to say it was a talent issue. There probably was at least some level of talent issue, but nothing that should have made us close to as bad as we were, and certainly nothing that should have kept us that bad in year 3.

The issue was that he inherited a team that ran the TO and wanted to change it to RPO, which requires a lot of coaching, even if the players ran RPO back in HS. And he's not good at coaching.

Had he inherited a team that already ran RPO and he continued to run RPO, he wouldn't have failed so hard so quickly because he could have just rode the system and coaching of the previous guy.

He still would have bottomed out eventually, just not nearly so fast. Like what would have likely happened at Temple had he stayed there a few more years.
 
BeeStorm said:
If Collins and Bill Lewis are sitting in front of you, which would you hire for head coach. Knowing everything you know now and you must pick one to avert the end of the world.
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I choose the end.

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buzzer beater with the gif edit. The 5-minutes adds a lot of pressure!
 
andrew said:
I think it's more likely he was just riding the momentum of the system the previous coach put in place than that he had otherworldly talent.

Had CPJ been a pro style coach I imagine Collins would still be here. The fact that he had to basically start fron the ground up in terms of installing his own system really exposed him.
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The fact that he'll likely never step foot into a meangingful football coaching role again means he would have sucked if he took over for Nick Saban 10 years ago.
 
andrew said:
Yeah, I didn't mean to say it was a talent issue. There probably was at least some level of talent issue, but nothing that should have made us close to as bad as we were, and certainly nothing that should have kept us that bad in year 3.

The issue was that he inherited a team that ran the TO and wanted to change it to RPO, which requires a lot of coaching, even if the players ran RPO back in HS. And he's not good at coaching.

Had he inherited a team that already ran RPO and he continued to run RPO, he wouldn't have failed so hard so quickly because he could have just rode the system and coaching of the previous guy.

He still would have bottomed out eventually, just not nearly so fast. Like what would have likely happened at Temple had he stayed there a few more years.
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The credibility of this coach was not the failure of effectively transitioning from a TO to whatever mythical offense his mind created. It was that the self-proclaimed Supreme Minister of Defense totally failed at elevating the one side of the ball he supposedly had expertise in.
 
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