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Tech football can not recruit the football players that UGA can. We all know that; get used to this fact.

When we can compete we have a very efficient offense. This year we had no option qb at all. We did have a good runner who almost pulled us into a 7 win season.

Next year, pj will have another year teaching the option and it’s reads. Our big loss this year was the loss of Matthew Jordan. He ran the option but was mostly lost for the season. Hopefully our young qbs learn the option welland we will be fine on offense.

Defense needs some stud players however. The offense and their death marches will help the defense next year ( our OL should be good).

And special teams needs help. We need to find more Orwin ( auburn, al?) and roddy Jones type a backs that will help special teams and provide a little more spank on their hits.
 
I think we can all agree our special teams are terrible
 
By the way, the bitching going on is fairly minimal. Sometimes our fans are smart enough to realize when we are a bit down one year and Uga is s bit up.

Deep down I am frustrated that ma Tech just refuses to help.
 
BuzzLaw said:
I think we can all agree our special teams are terrible
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When did we get so slow? Hell, it looks like our special teams is running in quicksand while the opposing team looks like every return man on their squad is Usain Bolt.
 
Hello midatlantech, I like your user name. Orwin Smith and Deon Hill both came from Central High School in Phenix City, AL, which is right across the state line from Columbus. Orwin struggled with his blocking early on if you remember, but both turned out great for us! I agree we need more like them. A-back talent is far down on the long list of problems for me, however.
 
Well I was really saying that if we recruited bigger players for all positions including the A back that our special teams will improve greatly.
 
i keep thinking to myself how much you guys overreact sometimes. the college football landscape is ööööing hard as hell and it's not what it was when some of yall were younger. we're facing more uphill than we ever have as a program with so much competition around us that can recruit better and have bigger budgets.

cpj has his flaws. but he's brought up some incredible seasons and has never seemed so lost that him and his tensure are irredeemable going forward. look at all these other powerhouse programs right now that cycle through all these coaches since they can't find any wins ever. these schools have deep pockets that will throw any money possible at their cfb program and they don't need to worry about difficulties with recruiting. but they're still ööööing up.

what point would there be in ditching a coach that does fairly well, sometimes great, with some incredibly disappointing seasons in between? get another coach that isn't some big name or proven so that we might get a 9-3 season, maybe? nebraska made that mistake a few years ago. pelini may have never done better than the 9 win seasons but it was just too premature of a fire when there was nothing realistically better to replace him with.

we know where the flaws are in this team. cpj is under more pressure than he ever has been here after some lackluster seasons. this is the time where he proves himself to be worthwhile or not. give him the time. yes, i know, he's been here for ten seasons now. but given our circumstances a program and also the success he has brought, it's just idiotic to throw him over now.

be critical but be smart. there's so much to look forward to improving if cpj has been knocked hard enough at this point to fix.
 
RussianOffense said:
Hello midatlantech, I like your user name. Orwin Smith and Deon Hill both came from Central High School in Phenix City, AL, which is right across the state line from Columbus. Orwin struggled with his blocking early on if you remember, but both turned out great for us! I agree we need more like them. A-back talent is far down on the long list of problems for me, however.
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This actually reads like it was written by a Russian.
 
Xihix said:
the college football landscape is ööööing hard as hell and it's not what it was when some of yall were younger. we're facing more uphill than we ever have as a program with so much competition around us that can recruit better and have bigger budgets.
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Just out of curiosity... why do you think that the CFB landscape is harder for Tech now than it was in 1950?
 
18in32 said:
Just out of curiosity... why do you think that the CFB landscape is harder for Tech now than it was in 1950?
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more games to play per season now, much bigger talent pool, football as a game evolving, many more teams (and many better teams), changes in recruiting in both in terms of rules and how kids are recruited in general now. there's a lot of factors.
 
Xihix said:
more games to play per season now, much bigger talent pool, football as a game evolving, many more teams (and many better teams), changes in recruiting in both in terms of rules and how kids are recruited in general now. there's a lot of factors.
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Weird. I think bigger talent pool help the little guy. I’m not sure why more games would make it harder to win. And recruiting rules changes have been on a 100 year journey towards more and more parity. Back during Dodd’s heyday the machines really stockpiled talent. It has always been a struggle at Tech, from day one.

The biggest factor many claim is integration. But that may be racist.
 
18in32 said:
Weird. I think bigger talent pool help the little guy. I’m not sure why more games would make it harder to win. And recruiting rules changes have been on a 100 year journey towards more and more parity. Back during Dodd’s heyday the machines really stockpiled talent. It has always been a struggle at Tech, from day one.

The biggest factor many claim is integration. But that may be racist.
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I don't know how you can look at the football landscape and come away with the feeling we are on a 100 year journey towards parity. However I would argue that much of GT's recruiting problems are self imposed; lack of majors, the calculus requirement, lack of Clemson/Alabama type facilities, few gray shirts, obstacles for JUCO transfers, etc... Finally, somethings can be racist and still be true; not saying that is the case here; but saying something is racist doesn't make it false necessarily.
 
aeromech said:
I don't know how you can look at the football landscape and come away with the feeling we are on a 100 year journey towards parity. However I would argue that much of GT's recruiting problems are self imposed; lack of majors, the calculus requirement, lack of Clemson/Alabama type facilities, few gray shirts, obstacles for JUCO transfers, etc... Finally, somethings can be racist and still be true; not saying that is the case here; but saying something is racist doesn't make it false necessarily.
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'Lack of majors' — 'calculus' — 'JUCO obstacles' — these 'self-imposed recruiting limitations' that you describe were imposed in 1885. I'm sure you've heard Dodd's oft-given speech that 'the other team is bigger and faster and stronger, but we're smarter'? That's just another way of saying 'we may have lost the battle on signing day but we're gonna win the battle on game day.' And he fielded better teams than almost anyone else in the country for a decade.

Most of the problems we complain about have been around forever. And there are dozens of ways the system has more parity now... how teams schedule; how postseason play is allocated; how many scholarships you can have; how you allocate those scholarships; how kids must do in school; how the NCAA monitors athletes' benefits with an eagle eye, etc.

But as I said, all this ignores integration. That's the one significant change that may have tilted the equation back in favor of the powerhouses.
 
18in32 said:
'Lack of majors' — 'calculus' — 'JUCO obstacles' — these 'self-imposed recruiting limitations' that you describe were imposed in 1885. I'm sure you've heard Dodd's oft-given speech that 'the other team is bigger and faster and stronger, but we're smarter'? That's just another way of saying 'we may have lost the battle on signing day but we're gonna win the battle on game day.' And he fielded better teams than almost anyone else in the country for a decade.

Most of the problems we complain about have been around forever. And there are dozens of ways the system has more parity now... how teams schedule; how postseason play is allocated; how many scholarships you can have; how you allocate those scholarships; how kids must do in school; how the NCAA monitors athletes' benefits with an eagle eye, etc.

But as I said, all this ignores integration. That's the one significant change that may have tilted the equation back in favor of the powerhouses.
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Something something correlation and causation regarding integration, the academic qualifications of top level athletes, and the rise of professional sports as a high earning career path.
 
BainbridgeJacket said:
Something something correlation and causation regarding integration, the academic qualifications of top level athletes, and the rise of professional sports as a high earning career path.
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Something something who needs complete sentences.

Um, what? What are you trying to argue?
 
18in32 said:
Something something who needs complete sentences.

Um, what? What are you trying to argue?
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Integration's correlation with our program's (lack of) success is coincidental.
 
Maybe parity shows up in strange ways. We take three of last four from VT, and our only loss was from a late game brain fart penalty in a 3-9 year. We lose 3 of four to Duke and struggle with UVA both of whom VT owns. We are even with Pitt the last four years with our 2 wins being sizable and their two wins being razor thin. Pitt beats three top 10 teams the last two years, but aren't going bowling this year. CPJ is 3-2 in the Cesspool and 0-5 in Atlanta. We get a one point win in athens last year, and lose two one point games in our first five this year. UVA lost five of their last six and Duke loses 6 in a row. Both teams go bowling. UNC really seemed to be on an upswing the previous three years, but only wins three this year. Be glad we played BC last year and we get Louisville next year when Jackson is gone. A little over two years ago, FSU came into BDS with a 28 game ACC winning streak. They have to beat the ULM Warhawks next week to be bowl eligible. My point in all this rehash is that for everybody in the ACC not named Clemson, the margin of error is minuscule. Injuries, rain, schedule anomalies, tipped passes, etc, decide your fate (especially when they come in a bunch) maybe as much as talent and coaching. You think Jimbo suddenly forgot how to coach his TOP 10 recruiting classes? That Richt kept the 4th and 10 carom off two helmets pass play hidden until the 4th qtr of our game cause he knew it was a sure first down? If there is one complaint I have about Johnson, it's that he doesn't get his fair share of the bounces. Then again, that may be a GT thing more than a Johnson thing.
 
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