It's not that our players aren't good enough, they're just extremely dumb

refrigeratormover said:
JacketDan said:
I hate this question usually, but I have to ask it here. Have you ever actually played o-line in a game environment?

Sometimes you have no idea that you're holding.
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You would be an idiot to not know your were holding. It's called keeping your hands inside. I have taught it all year long, it's not that hard to understand.
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RM, I have a great deal of respect for your opinion, thus I have two questions for you....

Have you watched/did you watch the video broadcast of the game? If so, do you think it was a good holding call?

I watched that play probably a half dozen times, and I think it was a bad call, but then again I don't have the experience of you and others, thus the question.

Thanks...Mike
 
I did watch it and if it's the play I remember his hand was outside the pads and then he took him down. Now normally if your hands stay inside they won't call it. I believe that's the play.

the first one on dunmon I thought was bad because he fell on the DL's leg and the dl fell and they called holding.

It's all about hand placement.
 
I am not an ex-All Pro Lineman, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express.

Exactly as Gardner said, the DL got knocked off balance by Peek and it took nothing by Gardner to take him down. The DL was completely out of the play and a nonfactor. We just got screwed again by the ACC refs.

Having said that, it is our coach's job to "guarantee success", not the refs. Letting situations come down to one play when you don't have to is not guaranteeing success.
 
refrigeratormover said:
You would be an idiot to not know your were holding. It's called keeping your hands inside. I have taught it all year long, it's not that hard to understand.
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In my frustration, I didn't phrase that well. What I was trying to convey is that sometime things happen quickly and kind of instinctually before you know what you're doing.

I know you've forgotten more OL play then I will ever know, but I'm sure somewhere in your career you made that grab with your hand that you wish you could take back, but it was more reaction than action.
 
yeah, I had plenty of them early in college but once you get to the next level the difference is decisions are made quicker. If you know your hands are wrong your taught to bring them back immediately. I'm teaching that too the 8th grade boys now and we've only had 1 holding penalty in the line in 3 weeks. So it's never too early.
 
Looking at the play, I guess it was a hold given the hand position. If every time an OL's hand position was like that a hold was called I'd be OK. But we all know that holding is usually called when there is a flagrant takedown, when a rusher is held to keep him off the QB, or a hole created by an obvious hold. None of those three apply.

Does anyone really believe NCSU or UNC will ever run a play to set up for a winning field goal and be called for holding by an ACC ref? I can not ever remember a running play to set up for a kick having holding called.
 
midatlantech said:
I am not an ex-All Pro Lineman, but I did sleep in a Holiday Inn Express.

Exactly as Gardner said, the DL got knocked off balance by Peek and it took nothing by Gardner to take him down. The DL was completely out of the play and a nonfactor. We just got screwed again by the ACC refs.

Having said that, it is our coach's job to "guarantee success", not the refs. Letting situations come down to one play when you don't have to is not guaranteeing success.
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there is a LOT of truth in what this man says,CG blew it
 
refrigeratormover said:
yeah, I had plenty of them early in college but once you get to the next level the difference is decisions are made quicker. If you know your hands are wrong your taught to bring them back immediately. I'm teaching that too the 8th grade boys now and we've only had 1 holding penalty in the line in 3 weeks. So it's never too early.
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Mover for OLine coach!!!!
 
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