Jackets ranked 31st in coaches poll

General question: if we win out and VT wins out (highly unlikely, I know), will we both be in BCS bowls?
 
cajunjacket said:
General question: if we win out and VT wins out (highly unlikely, I know), will we both be in BCS bowls?
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Depends on how many other 1 loss teams are out there. It's possible that we could end up like UGA did last year, for similar reasons, but I don't consider it likely unless most of the other conference runner ups have at least 2 losses. We'd need to embarrass UGA too, and probably need to lead the nation in rushing.

I think it's possible, but I think it's much more likely that VT loses 2 ACC games.
 
Here is some supporting evidence of the rankings being so convoluted:

(13)Vandy is -2.5 against Miss St. this weekend. The same Miss St. we beat by 31.
(11)UF is -4 against (3) LSU. Last I checked you are supposed to be better when you have a higher ranking home or away.
(6) Penn St. is -5 against Wisconsin. Only a 5 point differential between a top ten team and an unranked team are kidding?
 
cajunjacket said:
Here is some supporting evidence of the rankings being so convoluted:

(13)Vandy is -2.5 against Miss St. this weekend. The same Miss St. we beat by 31.
(11)UF is -4 against (3) LSU. Last I checked you are supposed to be better when you have a higher ranking home or away.
(6) Penn St. is -5 against Wisconsin. Only a 5 point differential between a top ten team and an unranked team are kidding?
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The guys who set the lines really ought to release a Top 25. The mafia would really bring a lot of integrity to the way major college football is run, and sadly I'm not kidding.
 
cajunjacket said:
Here is some supporting evidence of the rankings being so convoluted:

(13)Vandy is -2.5 against Miss St. this weekend. The same Miss St. we beat by 31.
(11)UF is -4 against (3) LSU. Last I checked you are supposed to be better when you have a higher ranking home or away.
(6) Penn St. is -5 against Wisconsin. Only a 5 point differential between a top ten team and an unranked team are kidding?
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1 - I don't have a problem with Vandy being ranked

2 - Vegas lines aren't predictors of game outcomes. They're attempting to predict 50% of the money going to each side.

3 - Perceptions lag reality. Vandy is a better team than the perception of Vandy. The opposite is true of Florida.

4 - Wisconsin is still ranked (18, I think). Whether or not they should be is a different story.
 
2 - Vegas lines aren't predictors of game outcomes. They're attempting to predict 50% of the money going to each side.
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I used to think this until I read an article about Vegas odds. In reality, Vegas tracks the most successful gamblers and tries to get the masses to bet against them.

For example, say the spread in the UGA-Bama game started at UGA -4.5 (I don't know the actual spread). A bunch of dawg fans might have thought that was a steal, but the smart gamblers would bet against UGA. The casino knows this and moves the spread in UGA's favor to entice even more dawg fans to bet their trailer. The final spread might be UGA -1.5 with 70 percent of the money on UGA and the casino coming out far better than just the vig.
 
floridajacket said:
I used to think this until I read an article about Vegas odds. In reality, Vegas tracks the most successful gamblers and tries to get the masses to bet against them.

For example, say the spread in the UGA-Bama game started at UGA -4.5 (I don't know the actual spread). A bunch of dawg fans might have thought that was a steal, but the smart gamblers would bet against UGA. The casino knows this and moves the spread in UGA's favor to entice even more dawg fans to bet their trailer. The final spread might be UGA -1.5 with 70 percent of the money on UGA and the casino coming out far better than just the vig.
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i think you are wrong. the whole point of a the moving line is to get 50% of the bets on each side. it doesnt matter if it is big gamblers or small individual bets

the opening line is picked. as soon as action happens (the bettors laying down bets) the line moves in order to get 50% of the money onto each side. the betting organizer collects fees. the losers pay the winners. that way, the organization is not invested in the outcome

i dont think the casinos bet on the outcome at all, they just get the juice

big gamblers typically either jump on an early line that they think has been issued badly (moving the line immidiately for ensueing bettors) or wait until it moves too much in one direction by the small bettors and then jump in at the end (like the SuperBowl last year)

i know that is why the line was invented, anyway
 
The way BuzzCzar describes it is how I have always been told, by bookies and others. Florida, do you have a link to your article?
 
floridajacket said:
I used to think this until I read an article about Vegas odds. In reality, Vegas tracks the most successful gamblers and tries to get the masses to bet against them.

For example, say the spread in the UGA-Bama game started at UGA -4.5 (I don't know the actual spread). A bunch of dawg fans might have thought that was a steal, but the smart gamblers would bet against UGA. The casino knows this and moves the spread in UGA's favor to entice even more dawg fans to bet their trailer. The final spread might be UGA -1.5 with 70 percent of the money on UGA and the casino coming out far better than just the vig.
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Either way, they're still not trying to predict the outcome of the game. They're just trying to make $$$ by staying ahead of the gambling public's perception.
 
The longer we can fly under the radar, the better. Let our opponents think they're up against the old inconsistent Georgia Tech with their small town country coach, running that old fashioned offense that doesn't work in division I. Never let pride get in the way of success. I'd love to be an unrespected 10-1 going into Athens.
 
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