Marco and Michigan State

So we're gonna go from stealing FCS recruits to stealing D3 coaches. And people aren't complaining now?
 
At this point I'm ready to take a flier on TC as head coach, and hurl our spare resources at his two coordinators.
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
So we're gonna go from stealing FCS recruits to stealing D3 coaches. And people aren't complaining now?
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Why do you think we are stealing a D3 coach? Maybe wait until the replacement is announced. Long and Tillman were clear upgrades and Daniels seems like a solid replacement for Choice so far.
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
How can you say they’re upgrades? We said Collins was an upgrade and look at where we are.
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Just looking at resumes. Tillman worked for uga, Colorado, Michigan St vs Shorter, West Alabama, Temple (Burton). Long worked for Notre Dame vs Temple (Patenaude).

Overall, I think there is way too much hand-wringing over position coaches, anyway. So far, we have made quality hires when we have fired someone or had someone leave. It doesn't guarantee wins but I expect a quality replacement for Coleman, as well.
 
smokey_wasp said:
Just looking at resumes. Tillman worked for uga, Colorado, Michigan St vs Shorter, West Alabama, Temple (Burton). Long worked for Notre Dame vs Temple (Patenaude).

Overall, I think there is way too much hand-wringing over position coaches, anyway. So far, we have made quality hires when we have fired someone or had someone leave. It doesn't guarantee wins but I expect a quality replacement for Coleman, as well.
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Just because they worked somewhere prestigious doesn’t mean they’re good in they’re own right. I’m not going to celebrate anything until we see objective improvement, not Collins improvement that the fans just aren’t seeing.
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
Just because they worked somewhere prestigious doesn’t mean they’re good in they’re own right. I’m not going to celebrate anything until we see objective improvement, not Collins improvement that the fans just aren’t seeing.
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That's fine. I was only responding to your comment that we are hiring D3 coaches, which didn't make any sense. I mean, Coleman had almost no coaching experience when we hired him and now we act like the sky is falling when he leaves. All I am saying is I expect a quality replacement. Whether we win enough games next year, who knows.
 
smokey_wasp said:
That's fine. I was only responding to your comment that we are hiring D3 coaches, which didn't make any sense. I mean, Coleman had almost no coaching experience when we hired him and now we act like the sky is falling when he leaves. All I am saying is I expect a quality replacement. Whether we win enough games next year, who knows.
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Because we have been getting D3 level coaches the past 3 years
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
Because we have been getting D3 level coaches the past 3 years
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Hyperbole, much? Patenaude got a Group of 5 job again and that's probably about right. I do think it was a big mistake not to invest in a quality staff from the get-go. It's okay to admit that you said something silly sometimes.
 
smokey_wasp said:
Just looking at resumes. Tillman worked for uga, Colorado, Michigan St vs Shorter, West Alabama, Temple (Burton). Long worked for Notre Dame vs Temple (Patenaude).

Overall, I think there is way too much hand-wringing over position coaches, anyway. So far, we have made quality hires when we have fired someone or had someone leave. It doesn't guarantee wins but I expect a quality replacement for Coleman, as well.
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I think he made some good hires that SEEM to be upgrades to what was here before. The problem is he should've made those changes 1-2 years ago when it was obvious that changes needed to be made.
 
ricejacket said:
I think he made some good hires that SEEM to be upgrades to what was here before. The problem is he should've made those changes 1-2 years ago when it was obvious that changes needed to be made.
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I agree. Whether it was Collins protecting his guys or TStan not getting the necessary funds, it was a mistake.
 
ricejacket said:
I think he made some good hires that SEEM to be upgrades to what was here before. The problem is he should've made those changes 1-2 years ago when it was obvious that changes needed to be made.
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Two years ago would be absurd from the offense's perspective. We had true freshman QB1 and RB1, abbreviated practice offseason due to covid for those high schoolers, weird scheduling in general, etc.

As far as the defense goes we should have cleaned house after 2020 at the latest, I agree.
 
gtchief said:
Two years ago would be absurd from the offense's perspective. We had true freshman QB1 and RB1, abbreviated practice offseason due to covid for those high schoolers, weird scheduling in general, etc.

As far as the defense goes we should have cleaned house after 2020 at the latest, I agree.
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He also said 1 yr ago, ok. Plus, let's not let him off da hook for the hire to begin with.
 
GoldZ said:
He also said 1 yr ago, ok. Plus, let's not let him off da hook for the hire to begin with.
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I think you’re misunderstanding something here. In 2019 we didn’t have a QB recruited for the new offense. In 2020 two key pieces were true freshmen, QB included. When the QB1 got hurt this year and we couldn’t score anymore is when the plan was exposed to be poor. You can argue the hire in the first place was an unknown but this season was when we truly saw there was no real backup plan after Sims, and even with him the offense was stagnant at times.
 
Chattanooga Jacket said:
Collins knows this is his last big paying gig.
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I don't think he knows that. Most of these guys just go back to being coordinators. So if the GT job doesn't work out he will be a DC at a P5 school making mid 6 figures. I offer up Ted Roof as just one of many examples. Most of us here would probably consider a $500,000 + gig to be a "big paying" gig.
 
B said:
I don't think he knows that. Most of these guys just go back to being coordinators. So if the GT job doesn't work out he will be a DC at a P5 school making mid 6 figures. I offer up Ted Roof as just one of many examples. Most of us here would probably consider a $500,000 + gig to be a "big paying" gig.
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I think the Mississippi State fans are pretty miserable right now. They were expecting to be an unstoppable offense and have looked very disorganized
 
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