Marshall will probably be the starter next season

Old-Fashioned UGA Hater said:
With all of this Marshall hate going on and everyone bringing up his throwing inadequacies, can you please tell me under Johnson's regime when we had a good passer? If you want to get down to brass tacts we've never had an even ok passer. Sorry but Nesbitt and J. Thomas were pretty awful at chucking it. You guys have pretty short memories if you think Marshal is the worst. And btw there is zero chance he's not the starter next year.
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Brass tacts? That is udderly ridiculous.
 
Old-Fashioned UGA Hater said:
With all of this Marshall hate going on and everyone bringing up his throwing inadequacies, can you please tell me under Johnson's regime when we had a good passer? If you want to get down to brass tacts we've never had an even ok passer. Sorry but Nesbitt and J. Thomas were pretty awful at chucking it. You guys have pretty short memories if you think Marshal is the worst. And btw there is zero chance he's not the starter next year.
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Old-Fashioned UGA Hater said:
With all of this Marshall hate going on and everyone bringing up his throwing inadequacies, can you please tell me under Johnson's regime when we had a good passer? If you want to get down to brass tacts we've never had an even ok passer. Sorry but Nesbitt and J. Thomas were pretty awful at chucking it. You guys have pretty short memories if you think Marshal is the worst. And btw there is zero chance he's not the starter next year.
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Justin Thomas was definitely an "ok passer". And there is a difference between not being a good passer and completing 37 % of your throws, 25 % over the last 5 games. Even in our offense, you can't have those kinds of numbers.
 
ramblinwise1 said:
He throws the deep ball as if he were throwing the javelin in a track meet.
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smokey_wasp said:
Justin Thomas was definitely an "ok passer". And there is a difference between not being a good passer and completing 37 % of your throws, 25 % over the last 5 games. Even in our offense, you can't have those kinds of numbers.
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Yes 37% is unacceptable and digressing numbers towards the end of the season are a little scary when looking forward to next year. He'll have to improve if this offense is going to take a real step forward next season. It's just a little ridiculous when people say he's the worst they ever seen. I forget how much we've been blessed this last decade by these QB's who can whip the ball around.

I like J. Thomas as much as the next guy and loved watching him play but he shouldn't be the benchmark of what a passing quarterback can be in this offense. He had a year that wasn't much better than 37% completion percentage.
 
If our kicker had a foot and our quarterback had an arm, we'd be a ten win right now.
 
Old-Fashioned UGA Hater said:
Yes 37% is unacceptable and digressing numbers towards the end of the season are a little scary when looking forward to next year. He'll have to improve if this offense is going to take a real step forward next season. It's just a little ridiculous when people say he's the worst they ever seen. I forget how much we've been blessed this last decade by these QB's who can whip the ball around.

I like J. Thomas as much as the next guy and loved watching him play but he shouldn't be the benchmark of what a passing quarterback can be in this offense. He had a year that wasn't much better than 37% completion percentage.
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Comparisons with JT aside, and as far as 25% completion, TM beat that mark by 2 points once in his last five games, and he threw 5 picks in 61 attempts while he was at it. We consequently won just 1 of those games, and wouldn't you know it was the one in which he attempted the fewest passes. Maybe I just don't pay a lot of attention to this statistics thing, but yes, that was the worst five game passing stretch I can remember, at Tech or any other P5 school. Does that make him a substantially worse passer than JT? I don't really care. JT's 41% year we won just 3 games. We simply can't afford to have a QB go that low, and I don't think it's TM's ceiling, just like it wasn't JT's. You and I probably agree on that, but you have to admit, he's doing something terribly wrong.

I'll temper all my criticisms with saying I'm not super sure what he's doing wrong because I'm no expert, and I sure as hell couldn't do it better. I'm confident he can improve, and that if he can get up to 50% completion he's going to make people look absolutely stupid and win a lot of games, but let's not sugar coat this, he had one of the worst passing stretches over his last five games that you can really have, and it absolutely killed his year. We won every single game in which we attempted 8 or fewer passes, and every game in which we completed 45% or more. We're not going bowling, even still, and aside from the statistical correlation of all of it there was also the ugly emotional nut-punching of watching the stuff unfold. There were key moments where he couldn't hit wide open guys, or even put the ball in the field of play. Lots of his passes were so lofty the receivers had to stop and wait for them, and that did result in some incompletions and some INTs. You can't blame 100% of that on other players, and you can't blame people for having a bad taste in their mouth about it.
 
marshall not being a good qb means that either cpj isn't coaching him well or that he was the best option we had and cpj did what he could. given that cpj has a track record of developing his qb's well, even someone like nesbitt who was enrolled already when he arrived and was not recruited as an option qb, then i would have to think that the qb situation is more so an issue of personnel. which still falls on cpj since he should have recruited his qb correctly.
 
Old-Fashioned UGA Hater said:
Yes 37% is unacceptable and digressing numbers towards the end of the season are a little scary when looking forward to next year. He'll have to improve if this offense is going to take a real step forward next season. It's just a little ridiculous when people say he's the worst they ever seen. I forget how much we've been blessed this last decade by these QB's who can whip the ball around.

I like J. Thomas as much as the next guy and loved watching him play but he shouldn't be the benchmark of what a passing quarterback can be in this offense. He had a year that wasn't much better than 37% completion percentage.
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Watch this video. Sure, Justin wasn't Brady, but he was a pretty darn good passer. He did have one down year, but 2014 and 2016 he was solid in passing the football.

 
Here are some stats. Analyze away.

Joshua Nesbitt:
2008: 808 yds, 2 TD, 5 INT, passer rating 96.3
2009: 1701 yds, 10 TD, 5 INT, passer rating 148.7

Tevin Washington
2011: 1652 yds 11 TD, 8 INT, passer rating 155.4
2012: 1222 yds, 8 TD, 4 INT, passer rating 147.4

Vad Lee
2013: 1561 yds, 11 TD, 10 INT, passer rating 127.5

Justin Thomas
2014: 1719 yds , 18TD, 6 INT, passer rating 153.6
2015: 1339 yds, 13 TD, 8 INT, passer rating 119.1
2016: 1559 yds, 8 TD, 2 INT, passer rating 157.0

TaQuon Marshall
2017: 927 yds, 10 TD, 5 INT, passer rating 123.0

1) Marshall is pretty clearly the worst passing QB we've had. Our WRs are average, but I'd argue that this is by far the best group of pass-catching A-backs that we've had. Searcy and Lynch especially are reliable downfield threats if we can get the ball to them.

2) I think it's pretty obvious that QB performance has an extremely strong correlation with overall team success. I think it's also clear that our most successful teams pass the ball more. The 2 seasons where we passed for the most yards were 2009 and 2014. Not surprisingly, that is also when we had by far the best teams. IMO we need a 1800+ yard passer to have any kind of sustained success, and what we saw this year was not even close to that.
 
Xihix said:
marshall not being a good qb means that either cpj isn't coaching him well or that he was the best option we had and cpj did what he could. given that cpj has a track record of developing his qb's well, even someone like nesbitt who was enrolled already when he arrived and was not recruited as an option qb, then i would have to think that the qb situation is more so an issue of personnel. which still falls on cpj since he should have recruited his qb correctly.
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CPJ doesn't develop QBs well, unless you're referring to running the option. JT, Nesbitt, and TW were no better at passing as seniors than they were as freshman/sophomore starters.

which is bizarre, seeing that CPJ used to fling it around at Hawaii. But TQ's mechanics are, by far, the worst of the bunch. I've never seen a QB throw it and just fling himself to the ground, the way TQ does on some of his long throws. Then there's the backfoot stuff and the motion itself, which is Tebow'esque in how long it takes for him to release the ball...
 
Taq is like a more athletic version of Tevin Washington but worse at option reads. Neither can make a crunch time play to save their life.

In other words, they are both equally bad but for different reasons.
 
johncu said:
Here are some stats. Analyze away.

Joshua Nesbitt:
2008: 808 yds, 2 TD, 5 INT, passer rating 96.3
2009: 1701 yds, 10 TD, 5 INT, passer rating 148.7

Tevin Washington
2011: 1652 yds 11 TD, 8 INT, passer rating 155.4
2012: 1222 yds, 8 TD, 4 INT, passer rating 147.4

Vad Lee
2013: 1561 yds, 11 TD, 10 INT, passer rating 127.5

Justin Thomas
2014: 1719 yds , 18TD, 6 INT, passer rating 153.6
2015: 1339 yds, 13 TD, 8 INT, passer rating 119.1
2016: 1559 yds, 8 TD, 2 INT, passer rating 157.0

TaQuon Marshall
2017: 927 yds, 10 TD, 5 INT, passer rating 123.0

1) Marshall is pretty clearly the worst passing QB we've had. Our WRs are average, but I'd argue that this is by far the best group of pass-catching A-backs that we've had. Searcy and Lynch especially are reliable downfield threats if we can get the ball to them.

2) I think it's pretty obvious that QB performance has an extremely strong correlation with overall team success. I think it's also clear that our most successful teams pass the ball more. The 2 seasons where we passed for the most yards were 2009 and 2014. Not surprisingly, that is also when we had by far the best teams. IMO we need a 1800+ yard passer to have any kind of sustained success, and what we saw this year was not even close to that.
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2008 seems to be the outlier there in that we had horrible passing stats but a very good season. It probably had a lot to do with opponents' unfamiliarity with the offense and the fact that we had 2 stud RB's and a semi truck playing QB. I still remember dwag fans being amazed and horrified when we beat them with 1 completion. That was fun.
 
coit said:
I asked earlier and got no response. Who are we even looking at for QB?
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Micheal Barrett from Lowndes HS. Not sure of our chances, but he has visited. Good looking prospect.
 
texstinger said:
Of course TM will be the starter next year.

And God Bless the young man because I believe he really cares and tries hard. I was thankful he made it through the whole season.

But CPJ picked him to start, and TM is still on campus, so if CPJ changed starters now that would be a sign that CPJ made a mistake. And CPJ will not allow that thought into the public arena.
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Bullshit. Post the same crap over and over and perhaps others will believe the nonsense you do.

Any coach makes mistakes. CPJ wants to win and will play the player that will help that, period. If you don't think that, you're a dumbass
 
I feel Marshall can be good for us but he does have a lot of work to do. Hope he takes the off-season and stays glued to Candeto, Tevin, his wr and backs. He is or has the chance to be the leader of our team and he will be a senior. He needs to get with as many guys as he can and get the team focused on getting ready for the season. Starting yesterday.
 
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