Matt Rhule < Geoff Collins

The last several years of the CPJ era were like someone in debt who keeps making the minimum payments, keeping their credit score somewhat respectable while not making any real dent in their outstanding debt. Now we've ripped off the band-aid and entered short-term debt consolidation. The credit score has dropped, but there's a foreseeable way out of the hole.

I'll delete this post in regret after one hour.
 
GTLiebs said:
UVA's out of conference schedule that year was William & Mary, Indiana, UCONN and Boise St. They got BC and Louisville from the Atlantic. A bowl is the goal, but might not be any more achievable than a UVA that went 6-6 against that schedule back then going against the schedule we got for next year.
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They did beat us that year. Then went on to lose 49-7 to Navy in their bowl.
 
gtfan088 said:
The last several years of the CPJ era were like someone in debt who keeps making the minimum payments, keeping their credit score somewhat respectable while not making any real dent in their outstanding debt. Now we've ripped off the band-aid and entered short-term debt consolidation. The credit score has dropped, but there's a foreseeable way out of the hole.

I'll delete this post in regret after one hour.
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Thank you, Dave Ramsey. :rotfl:
 
gtfan088 said:
The last several years of the CPJ era were like someone in debt who keeps making the minimum payments, keeping their credit score somewhat respectable while not making any real dent in their outstanding debt.
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Eh...

'14 and '16 were great ööööing years. Especially '14. '18 was a Chan Gailey season. '15 was super horrible but in a really weird way. '17 was the year that was absolutely just dour. Which is odd, because it was close to being really good.
 
Allen Koholic said:
Eh...

'14 and '16 were great ööööing years. Especially '14. '18 was a Chan Gailey season. '15 was super horrible but in a really weird way. '17 was the year that was absolutely just dour. Which is odd, because it was close to being really good.
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2014 was a great year. 2016 had a great finish after a Chan-esque first 9 games, but I wouldn't regard any season where we don't finish ranked to be a great year. Good, but not great.

In totality, the interval subsequent to the Orange Bowl was not good. I don't know of anyone who regards that as a good period in Tech football. What's debatable is whether that was something that was likely to be overcome or not. Perhaps PJ had another 2014 up his sleeve, but based on the level of talent I saw on this year's team, color me skeptical. We were falling further behind our biggest rivals, and there was no way PJ or any other coach was going to remedy that increasing disparity without a significant uptick in recruiting.
 
gtfan088 said:
The last several years of the CPJ era were like someone in debt who keeps making the minimum payments, keeping their credit score somewhat respectable while not making any real dent in their outstanding debt. Now we've ripped off the band-aid and entered short-term debt consolidation. The credit score has dropped, but there's a foreseeable way out of the hole.

I'll delete this post in regret after one hour.
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I know a guy who can you cash NOW...
 
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gtfan088 said:
2014 was a great year. 2016 had a great finish after a Chan-esque first 9 games, but I wouldn't regard any season where we don't finish ranked to be a great year. Good, but not great.

In totality, the interval subsequent to the Orange Bowl was not good. I don't know of anyone who regards that as a good period in Tech football. What's debatable is whether that was something that was likely to be overcome or not. Perhaps PJ had another 2014 up his sleeve, but based on the level of talent I saw on this year's team, color me skeptical. We were falling further behind our biggest rivals, and there was no way PJ or any other coach was going to remedy that increasing disparity without a significant uptick in recruiting.
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I'm not sad that Paul Johnson left. I'm just not going to call his backhalf here bad. I guess it was more like paying down some debt in chunks, while avoiding debt-collector calls in chunks. At least for the final four years.
 
IMHO it was time for CPJ and staff to go. Here is why:

2015: with experianced players the Oline could not execute blocking scheme ( Piss Poor Coaching & Player development)
2016: Was great with Dedrick Mill at BB... The problem is that the Marshall family got upset that D. Mills as a true freshman started over MM and transfered and then D. Mills get booted off the team before 2017 for smoking weed and testing positive over three times.
2017: Without D. Mills & M. Marshall, with a young defense and converted AB playing QB CPJ can only win 5 games ( GTAA cannot even afford or refuses to replace a canx UCF game getting GT the chance to play a full schedule and Bowl eligible) Coach Ted Roof leaves for NC State ---CPJ era was close to coming to an end as he gets a five year extension with a GTAA friendly buyout... 750K to retire at anytime during 5 contract..
2018: CPJ refuses to start Tobias Oliver over TQM and the wheels fall off the entire ship and lose another bowl game in Detroit .. CPJ graciously leaves on the 750K retirement instead of being fired...


Interesting fact: Paul Johnson did take Georgia Tech to a higher pinnacle (2 OB, 1 Peach Bowl, 1 ACC Title, 3 ACC Championship games, 3 wins over UGA) then Chan Gailey did. Chan never had a single losing season at GT. The only coach in the Modern era at GT that can say that.
 
I will always look back on the CPJ years fondly. There were some great moments. He ended the UGA winning streak at 7. He won an ACC Championship. He won and Orange Bowl. There were some great and fun moments. His offense defined Georgia Tech’s identity for more than a decade. That said, I watched the talent level drop right before my eyes. I truly believe his best years were behind him.

I’m thrilled that we were able to bring in a coach with a clear vision for how to sell GT Football as Atlanta’s team, making it cool again to a younger crowd (like the age of players and recruits). Now we need to give him time to upgrade the talent level, and somewhere along the way we’ll find out if he and his assistants can coach on game days with their players.
 
If you can’t see that we are clearly undersized at every position then I don’t know what to tell ya
 
I keep thinking that eventually people will stop trying to describe the entirety of Paul Johnson's 11 year tenure in a single sentiment, as though there weren't extreme highs and lows. It doesn't make sense to do it in either categorically positive terms or negative ones, but it especially doesn't make sense in the negative. It wasn't Chan Gailey's run, where the highest high was still the ceiling rather than the roof, with solid mediocrity throughout. We went to two Orange Bowls, won one, went to three ACC title games, won one, and beat Georgia three times in Athens. Even one of our seasons on the bad side of mediocrity included a weird appearance in the ACCCG.

You can easily describe Gailey's time here without even using words, just let any random variation of "mleh" fall out of your mouth and you have encapsulated the years from 2002 and 2007. Johnson's reign was far more dynamic and the reasons for his failures and the end of his time on the Flats are equally so.

There's no need to try to oversimplify the nature of the CPJ era and boil it down to a single convenient bullet point. Then again there's also no need to continue debating his faults or which of his seasons were great-great and which were good-great-ish-ok either, but StingTalk gonna ööööing retarded and tedious mindless arguments StingTalk.

I have posted.
 
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