more info on alleged sexual assault

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AJC has some more info on alleged rape

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/06/30/georgia_tech_tarrant_rape.html


The woman made two statements to police, the first on the morning of the incident and the second, more detailed statement almost a month later, on May 20, after she returned from her home in Tennessee. The Atlanta Journal-Constitution does not identify victims of sexual assault.
She said she had her guard down that night.
"I drank alcohol at the party so it wasn't hard for him to get me to go to his room," she wrote in her first statement.
But once she got to Tarrant's room and he began touching her, she told him to stop because she had a boyfriend. He said that's when the oral sex ended. She said he soon started again and continued despite her continued pleas to stop.
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Here is the problem's for the state IMO

1. "I drank alcohol at the party so it wasn't hard for him to get me to go to his room," that statement alone from the V may rise to reasonable doubt

2. two different statements from the V MAY BE a problem as well

3. It appears that V argues D was kissing V consensually until it got down to vaginal area. If this is V's statement then this will be a problem for the state as well. Although technically a female or male can say NO at anytime juries do not always see it that way.

4. Forced oral sex (D on V) is going to be difficult to prove w/o bruising on arms and legs IMO



If the defense lawyer does a good job I think the defense has a decent chance.


I just looked this lawyer up and he is in Garland and Samuel's office so it appears D has hired best the best firm around. Ed Garland is the best lawyer in GA IMO

JUST TO BE CLEAR I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED I AM JUST GIVING MY OPINION BASED ON NEWS ACCOUNTS IN THE PUBLIC MEDIA
 
I must admit things look better today than Monday!

I never thought I'd see the day a college kid turned down a bj?
 
But once she got to Tarrant's room and he began touching her, she told him to stop because she had a boyfriend. He said that's when the oral sex ended. She said he soon started again and continued despite her continued pleas to stop.
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This girl is full of it. By this statement you'd have to believe that the first place he touched her was between her legs, with his mouth, with her pants already off. Yeah right. IMO it sounds like she went back to his room, they started fooling around, then half way through she thought about her boyfriend and felt guilty for cheating on him. Because of her guilt, she's trying to pass the blame onto someone else.

That's what it sounds like from the info we've got right now, anyway.
 
Everyone let this play out. We're all hoping for the best for Tarrant, and admittedly the details are starting to look more and more favorable to his side, but remember that a crime was possibly committed here and that a woman believes she was raped. Let the system play out, don't jump to conclusions, and for goodness sake don't bash the victim until they're undeniable evidence that she wasn't one.
 
If this dude goes to jail for attempting to give an intoxicated girl a little flickering flame who volunteered to come up to his room at a college party then I am officially taking up my Spanish dual citizenship and getting the F out of this country because we are all going to jail. </runon>
 
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I guess women are our equals, but not when they've had something to drink...
 
Two Thoughts.

1. Sometimes, when in that position, it is really, really hard to hear.
2. If she asks you to stop, you're doing it wrong.
 
Okay, so here's what we know: Both the Victim and Defendant agree that there was no intercourse. Victim and Defendant agree that oral sex was consensual at first, but then V changed her mind. V alleges that D continued after she asked him to stop. D says he stopped.

Maybe this is "rape" in the eyes of the law, but certainly not in my book. Assuming he continued after she asked him to stop, it's just him being a jerk... but RAPE!? C'mon. It wasn't even intercourse!

Confession: I've been with girls who changed their mind in the middle of the act, and I always get a few more thrusts in before I stop. I guess I'm guilty of RAPE, too! I should be a registered sex offender, be forced to notify my new neighbors whenever I move, and disclose my status as rapist to any potential employer. Please!
 
thegoalie said:
Confession: I've been with girls who changed their mind in the middle of the act, and I always get a few more thrusts in before I stop. I guess I'm guilty of RAPE, too! I should be a registered sex offender, be forced to notify my new neighbors whenever I move, and disclose my status as rapist to any potential employer. Please!
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:eek5:
 
I woulda sworn that half the country in the mid 90s was completely convinced that this isn't even sex.

Now I am really confused.
 
thegoalie said:
Confession: I've been with girls who changed their mind in the middle of the act, and I always get a few more thrusts in before I stop. I guess I'm guilty of RAPE, too! I should be a registered sex offender, be forced to notify my new neighbors whenever I move, and disclose my status as rapist to any potential employer. Please!
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Honestly, some would consider that rape.
 
thegoalie said:
Confession: I've been with girls who changed their mind in the middle of the act, and I always get a few more thrusts in before I stop. I guess I'm guilty of RAPE, too! I should be a registered sex offender, be forced to notify my new neighbors whenever I move, and disclose my status as rapist to any potential employer. Please!
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If you are seriously doing this, you better stop while you still have your freedom. A guy was recently convicted of rape for not stopping immediately after the girl said stop. It was all over the news.
 
law_bee said:
AJC has some more info on alleged rape

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2008/06/30/georgia_tech_tarrant_rape.html


Here is the problem's for the state IMO

1. "I drank alcohol at the party so it wasn't hard for him to get me to go to his room," that statement alone from the V may rise to reasonable doubt

2. two different statements from the V MAY BE a problem as well

3. It appears that V argues D was kissing V consensually until it got down to vaginal area. If this is V's statement then this will be a problem for the state as well. Although technically a female or male can say NO at anytime juries do not always see it that way.

4. Forced oral sex (D on V) is going to be difficult to prove w/o bruising on arms and legs IMO



If the defense lawyer does a good job I think the defense has a decent chance.


I just looked this lawyer up and he is in Garland and Samuel's office so it appears D has hired best the best firm around. Ed Garland is the best lawyer in GA IMO

JUST TO BE CLEAR I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED I AM JUST GIVING MY OPINION BASED ON NEWS ACCOUNTS IN THE PUBLIC MEDIA
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Ignorant question here, does the law distinguish from this kind of rape and other kinds? I guess what I am asking is this treated the same as someone who hides in the bushes and attacks someone?
 
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I wondered the same thing as goldmember. Are there varying charges of rape depending on what exactly took place?
 
Re: Two Thoughts.

BSBuzz said:
1. Sometimes, when in that position, it is really, really hard to hear.
2. If she asks you to stop, you're doing it wrong.
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Maybe the funniest statement I've read in 2 years.
But very very valid points, especially number one....the thighs can act as ear muffs.
 
goldmember said:
Ignorant question here, does the law distinguish from this kind of rape and other kinds? I guess what I am asking is this treated the same as someone who hides in the bushes and attacks someone?
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sentencing always provides for some ability to treat situations differently. unless there are mandatory minimums (which is why many people oppose those)
 
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