NC State Post Game Thread

bonham said:
This was about as good of an effort as can reasonably be expected. We're still a young team trying to transition from a completely different offense, playing on the road against a good team, in the middle of a pandemic missing a lot of key players.
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The day I don’t have to listen to people talking about “the transition” can’t come soon enough. With each game we play (and each season that passes, at this point), that story transitions from reason to excuse a little more.

JRjr
 
knoxjacket said:
I think it was quite telling when the announcer accused our WR of “jogging.” These guys by and large just do not get separation.

when WR aren’t getting open and OL are whiffing how the hell are you going to pass the ball?
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We need A. Brown back. I hope he is back 100% next season. He can outrun the fastest corners. He would make a big difference for our offense. Gibbs and Brown are like a 1/2 RB/WR punch. That, and you also are going to have to spy on Sims since he may be the 3rd fastest offensive player we have (Brown, Gibbs, Sims)

We are going to be very good. We are at the beginning of a program build. If you are having difficulty seeing that then perhaps you should decide on a different hobby during FB season.
 
vapspwi said:
I thought the game looked particularly cheap on TV - it seemed dark, and the camera work was mediocre. (How about showing some of these jogging, quitting routes that the commentators mentioned?) The sideline reporter’s mic didn’t work half the time, and the ref’s mic was hard to understand.

I got tired of Herzlich yammering, but I don’t mind Cotter (partially because at least he’s a Tech alum). I assumed those dudes were calling the game remotely, which would excuse some of the mistakes, but then I wonder how Herzlich was seeing the lazy WR play he commented on, which I didn’t notice in the TV feed.

The game felt kind of hopeless and pitiful at the outset because we were down so many players, but then became frustrating because we played hard and kept ourselves in the game, but couldn’t close the deal because of everything from playcalling to execution to penalties to officiating.

In the midst of all of that CGC’s comment about the team needing to celebrate more was incredibly galling. I’m fine with the rah-rah, go have some fun stuff, but only after the fundamentals (that are somewhat within our control) are taken care of. However meaningless it may be, as a fan I’d rather hear the coach say that we need to cut out the stupid penalties, make some adjustments to our gameplan, and play with more effort, not that we need to celebrate more.

On to Pitt. Normally, the short week isn’t that big of a deal, but with the injuries, opt-outs, and COVID protocol stuff, it’s really hitting at a bad time for us, and I kind of expect to see more of the same Thursday night.

Overall, I’m glad we got to have some football this year, but I’m kind of ready for the season to be over. I wonder if the players are starting to feel the same.

JRjr
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you can probably blame the sub par production value on covid restrictions. the fact they cant send a two announcers to an actual game is ridiculous. F1 has run almost an entire full season moving everyone around the globe. production value still top notch.
 
JJacket said:
We are going to be very good. We are at the beginning of a program build. If you are having difficulty seeing that then perhaps you should decide on a different hobby during FB season.
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This. Those of you negative Nellies pissing and moaning like middle school girls about coaching are just showing yourselves to be morons.

And those of you calling out individual players can kiss a goat's penis. You suck for that.
 
vapspwi said:
The day I don’t have to listen to people talking about “the transition” can’t come soon enough. With each game we play (and each season that passes, at this point), that story transitions from reason to excuse a little more.

JRjr
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I'm with you on the transition talk - transition is an old topic - however having young players that are developing has nothing to do with transition. In my book, they are just young. As much as I was a big CPJ fan (still am), I would agree our talent level was disappointing at hand off to Collins. We had a good core of players in 2014 with talent and it just seemed to go down hill after that. In 2014 Thomas, Day, Smelter, Waller, Hill, Mason, Butker, Gotsis, Golden, I Johnson, Nealy, D.J. White, Durham - those guys could play ball and were talented.
 
GTRules said:
This. Those of you negative Nellies pissing and moaning like middle school girls about coaching are just showing yourselves to be morons.

And those of you calling out individual players can kiss a goat's penis. You suck for that.
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The stats yesterday show a team that should have won. We needed our depth. We outgained NC State. We blew some opportunities. We need to stop with the stupid penalties, but, at least in the first half, it seemed the refs had a good eye for penalties on us, bit magically couldn't see a few blatant NC State holds.
Our OL definitely needs work. We knew it would. The DL played admirably given we had 3 DE's available to play and two were true freshmen.
Pass coverage was about as physical and good as it could be. The State receivers made some catches on well covered routes. I have no issues with how corners and safeties played - or the defense at all, for that matter.

Biggest weak point, obviously, is the OL. There were a few plays where our guard would start a double team with the tackle immediately after the snap, allowing a stunting or blitzing LB, DE, or DT to come through clean. Happened on one of our needed 4th down runs. We have got to get better on the OL recognizing what the DL is doing. We just cannot continue to allow DL, DE, or LB''s to run free to the QB on a slight delay or stunt because we don't recognize what is happening. There is no reason for the guard to decide to double team and allow the defensive player a clear path.
 
vapspwi said:
The day I don’t have to listen to people talking about “the transition” can’t come soon enough. With each game we play (and each season that passes, at this point), that story transitions from reason to excuse a little more.

JRjr
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Whether or not you like hearing it has no relevance to whether it is valid.
 
vapspwi said:
The day I don’t have to listen to people talking about “the transition” can’t come soon enough. With each game we play (and each season that passes, at this point), that story transitions from reason to excuse a little more.

JRjr
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Sorry that offensive linemen, who are the key to offensive football, take longer than a year to contribute, and the retiring coach before Collins didn't GAF about recruiting them.

Where are the 5th year offensive and defensive linemen? Where are any 5th year players. What? We have 4 and a coupla transfers? And you children are complaining about penalties? Geesh.

But there's a dozen or so 4th year seniors, right? Well... no. And our juniors and seniors would look a lot more depleted if we did not have walkons outplaying the kids the retiring coach gave scholarships to.

We are starting a true freshmen at quarterback, running back, and the offensive line. All our quarterbacks are freshmen. On defense we have to play 5 freshmen linemen in the rotation. We have no choice. It is astonishing we can stay in any game, much less win three conference games so far this year.

So yeah, "the transition" is the elephant in the room. Last year. All this year. All next year. Bury your head in the sand, and it is still there. All we have is the true freshmen from this coach, plus a few last-second flips he create out of thin air when he was named. And you are whining about anything?

How long do you think major college players take to become quality linemen? How long do quarterbacks? How long does it take to mesh well together when EVERYONE is new, when even your juniors and seniors are new?

My advice? Go away. Go away for at least two years. Then come back and cheer and say you always knew we were building a winner.

At this point in Bobby Ross's career at GT, he had less wins and was thinking about quitting. He was winless in a much weaker conference than we have today. He had no transition to deal with. In fact he inherited a talented recruiting class the year before his arrival. But it took time.

But there were alumni that said he was out of excuses, that he was not cutting it. A lot of alumni, just as foolish as you.

Time heals youth, if you do the right things. Ross did the right things, and caught magic. Collins is doing the right things. Thank God GT did not listen to the whining alumni with Ross, who wanted to erase the etch-a-sketch, and I pray GT does not listen to people like you, who give up and want to erase everything when the strength of the program are true freshmen and kids who are not even on campus yet.

Interested to know your proposed shortcut to winning. They probably involve giving a new coach credit for his wins when the freshmen of today are all upper-classmen.
 
It’s gotten to the point with many of you where it’s full bore trashing players because you’re so blinded by the style over substance.

We’re to the point of comparing to Bobby Ross, who was a former ACC Coach of the Year and had just wrapped up a run of back to back to back conference champions. Somehow, someway we want to believe so bad these two men are peers upon their arrival at Tech. He brought with him substance making early criticism wildly out of whack.

Collins is certainly bringing in a different type of player with recruiting and transfers. However, there’s substantive questions about both his gameday and program management decisions. To paint anyone who brings those up as a pariah is one of the most Tech fanbase things ever.
 
As a comparison, look at ND. Both lines stacked on the two deep with graduate S/A's, seniors, and RS Jr's. Our lines will need time to mature. If any fans would like to bail on us, I suggest getting out now. I doubt we win the ACC next season, which will bring out the whiners that it is Collins' third year.

I want a program built here. I was tired of watching our players get body slammed by UGAg and Clemson. We have to change our culture from one that wants to behave like a service academy to one that can behave like a factory school. It is going to take time.

Call me crazy, but I absolutely feel like GT can out recruit UGAg and Clemson with Collins at the helm of our program. It is going to happen. GT is a world class institute that has grown tremendously over just the past decade. The growth occurring now is amazing. Tech Square, the expansion off North Avenue, the new student center. Tech is like the caterpillar which is transforming into the butterfly.

I didn't feel like we could recruit with those schools a decade ago. I have always felt we had to find the diamonds in the rough. Now, I see no reason we can't. We are in Atlanta, which is the center of the college football universe. It wasn't a 20 years ago or even a decade ago.

Recruit well. Start winning. Fans will buy tickets. Donate. Winning will begat winning in all areas. It is why Collins constantly pushes our culture. Without him and our staff (T.C., Thacker, Swilling..etc....) we don't have a Sims or Gibbs or Dominick or several players we have that are up and coming. Once word is out, more 4* & 5* players will want to play at GT. We already have had some highly ranked guys come home or are looking in the portal.
 
Collins is bringing in better players than we’ve seen at Tech maybe ever. Our recruiting classes are very good, then if you add in the recruit ranking of the transfers we’re talking top 20 caliber groups of incoming players.

The roster was not ACC caliber when Collins got here. I’m not trashing every player, but certainly there were glaring deficiencies and a major lack of quality depth.

I get people want results right away, but the climb was simply too far. That said, we are much improved from last year and I expect further improvement next year.

At some point the results will matter and it will be fair to judge Collins on his W-L record. We’re just not there yet. Try to enjoy the positives in the transition, of which there are many if you’re not a self-hating loser.

Also for those who question the coaching, Temple football has fallen off a cliff without our staff. I know many will reject giving Collins any credit for that... but they’re in the AAC basement in year 2 since his departure.
 
Has there been any more info on the passing game? I’m curious why it was getting dogged on so much by Herzlich but the TV doesn’t show anything.
 
knoxjacket said:
Yet they still couldn’t protect the QB for crap.
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I think a lot of you are stuck on a mantra that isn't as true at this point. Did guys come free into the backfield during the game? Yes; both NCState and GT defenders came unblocked into the backfield during the game. That is going to happen in P5 football; but if you guys can't see the improvement in the in this game from last year then you just don't know what you are looking at. Sims is a freshman; so DC's are going to bring pressure a lot; that doesn't mean the OL hasn't improved significantly as you should expect them to.
 
If you’ve watched this team and you can’t recognize we have serious talent issues you are a fool or a liar.

If you’ve watched this team and you can’t recognize we have serious coaching issues with preparation, discipline, and decision making you are a fool or a liar.

Collins needs to get us better players. He also needs to do his homework and get better at managing a game and preparing a team.
 
aeromech said:
I think a lot of you are stuck on a mantra that isn't as true at this point. Did guys come free into the backfield during the game? Yes; both NCState and GT defenders came unblocked into the backfield during the game. That is going to happen in P5 football; but if you guys can't see the improvement in the in this game from last year then you just don't know what you are looking at. Sims is a freshman; so DC's are going to bring pressure a lot; that doesn't mean the OL hasn't improved significantly as you should expect them to.
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Sure they’ve improved but for most of them they’ve hit their ceiling. Need roster turnover up front.
 
knoxjacket said:
If you’ve watched this team and you can’t recognize we have serious talent issues you are a fool or a liar.

If you’ve watched this team and you can’t recognize we have serious coaching issues with preparation, discipline, and decision making you are a fool or a liar.

Collins needs to get us better players. He also needs to do his homework and get better at managing a game and preparing a team.
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We have definite talent gaps.

Collins will grow into the position. I remember Dabo making some less than excellent decisions (and still does).
 
Techbert said:
Sorry that offensive linemen, who are the key to offensive football, take longer than a year to contribute, and the retiring coach before Collins didn't GAF about recruiting them.

Where are the 5th year offensive and defensive linemen? Where are any 5th year players. What? We have 4 and a coupla transfers? And you children are complaining about penalties? Geesh.

But there's a dozen or so 4th year seniors, right? Well... no. And our juniors and seniors would look a lot more depleted if we did not have walkons outplaying the kids the retiring coach gave scholarships to.
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We have 7 RS Junior and RS Senior OL, and 5 RS Junior, RS Senior, and Senior DL on the roster. Does that make a dozen or so?

The coach who retired before Collins started GAF about recruiting OL after we got physically blown up by LSU and Iowa State in 2008 & 2009.

Our real problem as been recruiting DT's; which is yet to be solved.
 
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