NC State Post Game Thread

Yesterday's loss was 98% sorry coaching.

I know it's a transition and the talent is not here or really young but that's not what cost us the game. 1st and and goal on the one and we try to go fast which is what caused the penalty. Then run it all the way down the field to the 10 and decide to try some pass plays.

At some point they have to coach to win the game and not worry if we ran the ball more than we passed it. It's like they think it we run it to much they'll get compared to PJ or something. If the run is working, run it every ööööing play and get the win.
 
stingmeyall said:
On GT's first drive of the second half, the refs should have called for a review of Sims run that was spotted at the 1. I believe replay would have shown he scored. Then we get two movement penalties and Jeff Sims misses a wide open Adonicus Sanders in the EZ. What could have been,oh well maybe we get some breaks going our way next year but Geoff is going to have to learn how to work the officials becaue he's not getting the respect of the ACC crews currently.
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Collins and Patenaude never gave the officials time to review, they got down to the 1 and tried to move at record speed and got two false starts. That’s not on the refs.
 
JJacket said:
Nope. You are apparently born an accurate QB. Coaching can do nothing to change it. I learned thia today.
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I was pretty accurate and got more accurate after years of going to passing camps, but they probably just wanted my parent's money and brainwashed me into thinking I was getting better. I guess Tom House is a snake oil salesman too.
 
The Jacket said:
As ridiculous as the "celebrate more" thing was, we need to remember that it's that same ESPN crew whose sideline reporter condensed whatever was said in the locker room, and chose which parts to mention in 10 seconds on television. I don't think we need to be acting as though that was a staple of Collins halftime message when none of us were in there.
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Collins himself reiterated the “celebrate more” thing in the postgame presser. It sounds so awful coming from the coach of one of the most penalized teams in the country.
 
aeromech said:
We have 7 RS Junior and RS Senior OL, and 5 RS Junior, RS Senior, and Senior DL on the roster. Does that make a dozen or so?
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You have to include transfers and walk-ons for your misleading and useless post, not to dwell on your inability to read posts you respond to.
 
swampsting said:
Sims played OK. He's impressive to watch run. He glides, and he's incredibly slippery. Last week on a keeper against Duke, it looked like he just melted through the hole for a first down, something right out of Skynet.
We know we can run the ball, regardless of the RB in there.
Run defense was surprisingly good today. Knight and Person vs. our run D scared me and NC State really did not do much at all running the ball against us.
And no turnovers.
Now for the other side of the coin.
But the penalties were infuriating. There also doesn't seem to be any individual consequences for the penalties.
Yeah, we were missing guys. The secondary, though, is probably where we have the most numbers.
At this stage of the year, everybody has injuries. Hasn't NC State played 11 straight weeks?
Bet FSU wishes the Hockman kid had stayed. He's not bad.

This was a completely winnable game. And we didn't win it. The Pack had squeaked by Wake, Pitt, Liberty and Syracuse (who just finished their season at 1-10. Let that sink in a minute.) They got hammered pretty good in two of their three losses.
So I'm not going to sit here and say we're about to turn a corner. We're not still good. In fact, we're bad. I don't have very much faith at all in this staff. Of 15 losses in not quite two seasons, 13 have come by 10 or more points. Granted, two of those are by ... 10 points. But that's double-digit losses in 13 of 21 games in the CGC tenure.
We need to see six wins at the minimum from this program next year, somehow, some way. I have my doubts CGC can deliver that.
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I agree with everything except maybe differ a little about the Pack running backs. I watched them against Syracuse and Liberty. They are pretty big and physical but neither of them strikes me as having that second gear. Gibbs has more gears than a 16 wheeler and Sims should be nicknamed "smoke" the way he runs. I am convinced that Sims has really worked on the mesh and reading the defense on those option plays. We are not a good team because it is inexplicable to have over 400 yards total offense, run for ten plays more than your opponent and still score only 13 points. The NC State defense is pretty good but not that good. This team has a long way to go to start winning football games. Someone said that NC State was the worst 8 win team in the country. I don't know about that, though, other than their receivers nothing really stands out about them. They strike me as a pretty ordinary team that had the good fortune to avoid both Clemson and Notre Dame while playing pretty much every bad team in the ACC.
 
ThisIsAtlanta said:
Winston won a BCS...

What planet are you on
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FWIW, during the post game show for the ACC, the Rev commented that he did not think Sims would ever be "accurate enough as a passer for this offense". I disagree He is plenty accurate for this offense when we run the damn ball. He is never going to be like Kyle Trask shooting rainbows 50 yards to receivers covered like a blanket but for play action stuff he is fine and he is slippery as a greased pig in the open field. As for holding the ball like he sometimes does...well, if the receivers would get open he would not have to do that. Sanders was hustling on every play but some guys according to the announcers were taking plays off. I don't know if that is true or not.
 
JJacket said:
Nope. You are apparently born an accurate QB. Coaching can do nothing to change it. I learned thia today.
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Well, it is not completely wrong. What I remember from Joe Hamilton's freshman year (since everyone keeps asking) was not his inaccuracy but his poor decision making. Joe was pretty freaking accurate from the get go. [Friedgen didn't recruit him because he wanted an inaccurate undersized QB project] Reading coverages and decision making is very coachable. You can coach/fix throwing motion; but I think Sims throws a pretty ball; I don't think his problems are so much mechanics (except maybe throwing on the run). All that to say that with good coaching he should be able to significantly reduce the turnovers; we'll see if that leads to more accuracy; maybe if the OL continues to improve it will.
 
The Jacket said:
Why would this thread surprise you? It's Sunday morning and hasn't been 12 hours since I made my post summarizing my thoughts, and already it is obvious that it is not as good or as bad as it seemed. We did some really, really stupid things in the game last night, and some inexcusable and worrisome things, and also some pretty damn good things. We are going to be fine, and hopefully if we get to play our final games we'll see some improvement from what happened yesterday.

Most everyone here is still emotionally invested to to one extent or another, in a team which they have known is bad for months now. Last night that team had an opportunity to get a win that could have indicated a nice step towards where we hope to be in a few years, and it blew that opportunity.

On top of that, it was an excruciating game from any perspective, and the beatable team we were playing was dirty at times. Throw into the mix that NCSU was clearly being allowed to play under a different set of rules in parts of the game, namely on the offensive line, which is the last place in the world we need another disadvantage.

And then drown everything I just said in a barrel of rum.

..all things considered, last night was among the better handled losses I've seen StingTalk take.

With all that said, #10 for NCSU is a vile piece of human filth who has no place on a football field, except maybe as a tackling dummy so someone can force his own medicine into whatever he has for a brain. That kid is going to hurt someone bad, and of course that happens in football. But when that is your goal, you shouldn't be playing. This seems to be a sort of running trend at NCSU, like with UNC and cheating. Or Wake and academic fraud. Or Duke and being a bunch of whiny bitches.
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Funny you said that about #10, in one of the games that I saw either Liberty or Syracuse he did injure an opposing player. He is a headhunter for sure. Pitt has a bunch of guys that are kind of like that as well.
 
We all know the team is young, half recruited for a different offense, undersized, playing out of position, etc. We don’t need the same bunch of slapdicks repeating “the greatest transition in the history of college football” any time somebody questions the performance of the team or staff.

Saying “we should be getting better at some things” or wondering when we’re gonna win more than three games a year doesn’t mean we’re expecting championships in year 2 (or even year 4). Part of what “transition” is is a gradual change from one state to another. But we can’t keep losing games and saying “well, transition” indefinitely. It made sense in year 1. It’s still a factor in year 2. But we’re gonna have to find a new excuse pretty soon.

JRjr
 
vapspwi said:
We all know the team is young, half recruited for a different offense, undersized, playing out of position, etc. We don’t need the same bunch of slapdicks repeating “the greatest transition in the history of college football” any time somebody questions the performance of the team or staff.

Saying “we should be getting better at some things” or wondering when we’re gonna win more than three games a year doesn’t mean we’re expecting championships in year 2 (or even year 4). Part of what “transition” is is a gradual change from one state to another. But we can’t keep losing games and saying “well, transition” indefinitely. It made sense in year 1. It’s still a factor in year 2. But we’re gonna have to find a new excuse pretty soon.

JRjr
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Head in sand.
 
gtfan1147 said:
Collins himself reiterated the “celebrate more” thing in the postgame presser. It sounds so awful coming from the coach of one of the most penalized teams in the country.
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Most of our penalties had nothing to do with celebrating. They were BS holds and BS PI's
 
vapspwi said:
Yeah, it definitely seems like you’re in denial about shortcomings of this team that can’t be waved away as “transition.” Must be nice to have no expectations. Maybe we’ll be good eventually if we celebrate more. :-)

JRjr
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:bigcry:
 
1982Jacket said:
What evidence do you have that Sims has the "minimum level of talent" to be a consistently accurate passer?

Sure, of COURSE I would love to believe he is going to be an accurate passer! What would be better for Tech football, which I have cheered for EVERY GAME for more than 40 years. We've had a QB deficit for 20 years. God how I would love to have a Sunshine or even a Kyle Flask or Zach Wilson pulling the trigger behind center.

But I just cannot be Blind Homer. Sorry. Not able to do it. I llive in Realville and experience tells me that it is extremely unlikely that Sims becomes an accurate passer. I remember all the hype about Jameis Winston. His redshirt freshman stats were incredible - and if you just looked at stats he looked "can't miss." But it only took a couple of games actually watching him play to see that he was not an accurate passer (although a lot more accurate than Sims). Seven years later, and nothing about that has ever changed. It hardly ever does.

I get it. You're a homer. You want to wish it into existence. But why don't you wish in one hand and crap in the other and tell us which fills up first.

No one would be happier than me to be wrong about this. But I'm not.
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Are you talking about Jameis in the NFL?
 
JJacket said:
Most of our penalties had nothing to do with celebrating. They were BS holds and BS PI's
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Okay. But if you’ve watched the season, you’ve also seen a bunch of 15-yard penalties that were because emotions got the best of the players. Personal fouls, unsportsmanlike conducts...there have been a lot of those.
 
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