Jmonty71
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OK. Remains to be seen, on the field. However; it does give some hope. Thanks for letting me know.
Observations from Georgia Tech’s fourth preseason practice
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Jmonty71
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I really hope we see more than 3 wins, this year. I am not a CGC fan. However; I rather have him succeed, so we win games. If we have another 3 win season, we better can his tail... no more excuses, no more ifs ands or buts.. Dude will need to go. Again. I hope he proves A LOT of people wrong and throws out a 5 or 6 win season. But, I don't have a warm fuzzy feeling, that will happen.
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This line of discussion is littered with contradictions and frankly open to criticism over bizarre decisions and choices. I don't know why this gets so much play as some sort of justification or good reasoning.
1) You can't on one hand excuse his lack of attention to the defense because he's in more CEO mode, while also saying he couldn't get involved with the defense because his focus was with the offense. That doesn't make a lick of sense.
2) He's got a heavy defensive background, as a coach. It's his defense being implemented. Yet, he chooses to focus on offense. Why? This will be triggering to some, but that's like CPJ asking Monken and Bohannon to run the O, while he and Dave work with the D.
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I knew about this but it just strikes me as “wtf” - why would corners and safeties be coached seperately? That’s like the left side of the OL in one room for film and game plan and the right side of the OL in a different room.
I’ll stick with what I do for a living but that strikes me as very messed up.
Who thought that was a good idea? Thacker??
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Unfortunately the second worst secondary our passing game will see all year is the one they are seeing in practice.
A real talc crumbles talc scenario.
A real talc crumbles talc scenario.
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Who would be worse?
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Sure it does. He wanted to be the CEO style HC that Dabo is and leave the coordinating to the coordinators. Transitioning from an option offense to a more traditional one would lead to believe that the offensive transformation would be the harder one, so when it was apparent we were struggling to score points, he turned his focus more toward helping the offense with personnel groups, sets, and so on. With the hire of a much more experienced OC, a dedicated QB coach, WR coach with tons of experience, he is able to dial back helping out on the offense and focus more on the defensive side of the ball now, more specifically the DB's where we seemed to have the most breakdowns last year.
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A lot of teams do it this way and think it's better to have split duties for the DB's because that it usually a large group, and CB's and safeties use different techniques so that allows for different teachers and teaching styles. But for that to work those two guys have to be on the same page and keep their players all on the same page. I think that was one of the big problems here.
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No. It doesn't.
The defense literally couldn't communicate coverages between CBs and Safeties. Their coaching was so bad that it gave the DC a lifeline to keep his job in the face of a string of infamous records that piled up as an annual occurrence. The "transition" explains only what you're saying in 2019. You can't use that tired excuse for 2020 or 2021. It doesn't work. It's not logical at that point.
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You also can't honestly get a true gauge of the coaching either in 2020. Covid kept the team separated for the most part and not practicing as a whole group. Then multiple guys out each week of course you're going to have communication errors. Last year was when we should have seen if that was fixed. It wasn't so we made changes there.
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That is yet to be determined.
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You sound like a bot with these scripted excuses in every thread.
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Scripted excuses? Sorry you get upset when facts don't align with your opinion.
It is patently obvious that CGC is a snake oil salesman/cheerleader type head coach. He talks a great game but when it comes time to actually produce on the field he is the classic "big hat, no cattle" coach. He may have been a decent DC at schools with good talent but as a head coach, he is terrible. His record at Rutgers was 15-10 over 2 seasons, in the American Athletic Conference, not exactly a murderers row of football programs. The only real explanation of why GT hired him as head coach is that he must be the best interviewer on Earth.
CPJ made no secret about his relative indifference to the defense and GT still had serviceable defenses for most of his tenure. They weren't 2021 UGA defenses but they were generally not embarrassed on the field. CGC was/is supposed to be a defensive guru and the defense has been abysmal since he has been head coach. If GT manages to win 5 games this season, CGC will probably be retained. That would be the worst thing that could happen to GT football and the fans. He will have three years remaining on his contract after this season. Stansbury would have no choice but to give him an extension if he wanted Collins to be able to recruit any players at all since no player is going to play for a coach that doesn't have a contract term longer than the player's enrollment.
CPJ made no secret about his relative indifference to the defense and GT still had serviceable defenses for most of his tenure. They weren't 2021 UGA defenses but they were generally not embarrassed on the field. CGC was/is supposed to be a defensive guru and the defense has been abysmal since he has been head coach. If GT manages to win 5 games this season, CGC will probably be retained. That would be the worst thing that could happen to GT football and the fans. He will have three years remaining on his contract after this season. Stansbury would have no choice but to give him an extension if he wanted Collins to be able to recruit any players at all since no player is going to play for a coach that doesn't have a contract term longer than the player's enrollment.
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The poor coaching is a 3 year walking disaster. You read 2020 and go into full blown zombie mode mumbling COVID over and over. For 2020, you act like the team never practiced and had to spend time learning each other's names like they were in kindergarten, but we played a full schedule slate of 10 games. That's what - at least 50+ practices - during the season. I'm not bothering trying to remember if we went through modified spring that year. You bots want people to believe with all that practice time neither the offense or defense could get their öööö together - even with the most basic of fundamentals like communication calls? Really, bro?
Even so and without 2020 considerations, how much effort would it take a "defensive guru" to step away from oddly choosing to teach and scheme offense instead of what he does best?
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Yeah, f--ing really, bro. You act like Covid didn't have an impact at all on our team, and I would be willing to bet that it had more of an impact on us than any other team. You don't realize how often 20% of the team couldn't practice because they were in Covid protocols, or practiced all week then couldn't play on Saturday because of them and someone else had to step in. No crap it happened for everyone else but it happened at the absolute worst time it could for us. CGC's first true recruiting class had a few spring practices then it was shut down. They had from then on and the full summer on their own at home. Most (if not all) not even on campus where they could get together with other guys and work out or work through the playbook. Then when fall started with all the protocols like I mentioned you had different guys available every week and we were only able to practice in small groups. The absolute FIRST thing that disrupts is communication so yes that's what people should believe. Frankly, I don't understand the ones like you who do not.
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You’re lying. Stop it.
2020 Football Game Notes / Above The Line / Opponent Depth Charts
2020 Football Game Notes / Depth Charts
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It’s the same names over and over and over in the secondary.
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Go look at player particitpation and starters per game and report back. The ATL chart is trash and had no bearing on who played or didnt. That came out on thursdays and did nothing more than fulfill a media requirement.You’re lying. Stop it.
2020 Football Game Notes / Above The Line / Opponent Depth Charts
2020 Football Game Notes / Depth Charts
It’s the same names over and over and over in the secondary.
Try again.
Edit: I also didnt say covid was the only reason for communication problems, but it contributed to it or at least helped mask it for another year. The secondary coaches I believe were the ultimate problem with backend communication and last year is when we could first definitively make that assumption so we made changes there.
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Juanyeh - Played in all 10; Started 10
Tariq - Played in all 10; Started 9
Avery Showell - Played in 8; Started 1
Jaylon King - Played in 9; Started 0
Derek Allen - Played in 9; Started 0
Tre - Played in 6; Started 5
Tobias - Played in 9; Started 0
M. Sims - Played in 8; Started 2
Walton - Played in 10; Started 10
Kenan Johnson - Played in 9; Started 3
K. Oliver - Played in 9; Started 4
Askew - Played in 8; Started 0
Charlie Thomas - Played in 10; Started 0
W. Walker - Played in 10; Started 5
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