Official Stingtalk HC Approval Poll Week 8 2021

[TechRush]

Had to switch to the No column this week. I don’t like the No column. It’s full of bad posters and darkness, but I do find myself over here this week. Can’t say I approve with the way the D has been playing and the losses we have taken.

Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again.

Welcome to the dark side. We used to get upset on the dark side, but we've past the point of apathy and have reached the point of maniacal laughing. At least we are having a good time right, right, am I right? <maniacal laughing>

 

[QuadF]

"rebuild" implies that there's a process of building and improvements being made. Im not seeing much improvement so far, and Im not sure it's enough. Even if we are generous to the offense bc of ol depth, the defense should be good as defense/secondary was supposed to be the strength of our coach and current batch of players yet they seem to be a liability.

 

[GTWannaBee]

Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again.

Welcome to the dark side. We used to get upset on the dark side, but we've past the point of apathy and have reached the point of maniacal laughing. At least we are having a good time right, right, am I right? <maniacal laughing>

I'm still optimistic, but my optimism will only guide me through this year. My optimism will need some help next year, or I will fully embrace the dark side that will be calling for his head in year five (he's not going anywhere before then).

 

[GT98]

At this point I would treat the head coach and the coordinators as a package deal. Easier and saves money to fire them all in 2 years than sign new contracts and a head coach extension just to fire them in 3.

I think that Collins could be successful with much stronger coordinators. If GT is trying the Dabo model, they need to shop for coordinators from somewhere other than the value brand/scratch and dent aisle.

Aren't the coordinator deals often year to year?

 

[ScionOfSouthland]

I think that Collins could be successful with much stronger coordinators. If GT is trying the Dabo model, they need to shop for coordinators from somewhere other than the value brand/scratch and dent aisle.

Aren't the coordinator deals often year to year?

A valid question. I thought the coordinator deals were the same duration as Collins’ contract

 

[knoxjacket]

I think that Collins could be successful with much stronger coordinators. If GT is trying the Dabo model, they need to shop for coordinators from somewhere other than the value brand/scratch and dent aisle.

Aren't the coordinator deals often year to year?

Coordinators saw the same thing HC candidates saw in 2018. Why am I going to risk my career on a roster that I don’t think I can succeed with? That’s why we got a journeyman and a neophyte.

Maybe now the roster is in such a shape it doesn’t scare coaches away?

 

[77GTFan]

Trying to move beyond approval/disapproval based on whether we won or lost last week, here is what I like about Collins: enthusiasm, recruiting energy, love for Georgia Tech, trying to be positive about the reasons to come play for Georgia Tech.

Here is what I don’t like:
1. Game day he is too hyper. He is jumping out to coach offense, defense, special teams, animated every play. Let staff coach. Stay focused and calmer. Make key decisions well.
2. Just don’t see a clear offensive or defensive philosophy that players understand and execute. One of my favorite Saban quotes, “Good teams have tendencies.”
3. Too much overstatement and hyperbole. Some of his banter is fun. But, ultimately, substance trumps style.
4. Too much reliance on recruiting to solve everything eventually. Success requires a wholistic approach by the head coach to make sure recruiting, conditioning, player retention, player development, academic progress, practice, scouting, development of offensive, defensive and special teams approaches and schemes, now NIL opportunities, relationships with high school coaches, media relations, and who knows what else. Head coaches have to be sure that all facets of the program are on schedule. I don’t see Collins as the non-anxious presence that leads a complex system to succeed.

 

[Allen Koholic]

My first time in the no column. He needs to clean out the coordinators.

I still believe Geoff can be an effective leader, but he needs to get better people around him, and TS needs to make it happen, because he ain’t going anywhere and we can’t afford to make a change the top. If the same coaching staff comes back next year, TS will be on the hot seat.

Welcome to the Friends Against Geoff. We don't judge or blame anyone.

 

[OptionJacket]

I’m very down on Collins and have been for awhile, but there is still a path as a great recruiter and CEO. He seems to be at least somewhat better now at managing clock and situations, even if he does rely on a chart and doesn’t have good instincts for it in the moment. But I don’t know how the entire staff can stay intact after ‘21. The combo of coaches just isn’t working at all. Geoff seems like a guy that would fight for staff continuity and not be open to moving on from assistants. so that may have to be mandated by Stansbury, which he may not do either. 30k attendance at each game speaks volumes. People aren’t buying in to this at all, even some of the ones that were echoing Geoff’s talking points just a few weeks ago.

The only reason he appears to be better at managing the clock is because those situations haven’t arisen much this season. Just wait until we are in nut crunching time again and his ineptitude will be there for all to see. If the Miami game is close it’s going to be fun watching Manny Diaz match wits with Geoff Collins. The last time I saw such a battle of giants was when my son played Upward basketball and the two coaches were the church secretary and one of the bubba dads.

 

[smokey_wasp]

Coordinators saw the same thing HC candidates saw in 2018. Why am I going to risk my career on a roster that I don’t think I can succeed with? That’s why we got a journeyman and a neophyte.

Maybe now the roster is in such a shape it doesn’t scare coaches away?

Not to mention we are paying our coordinators maybe half the market rate for a decent one.

 

[OptionJacket]

Trying to move beyond approval/disapproval based on whether we won or lost last week, here is what I like about Collins: enthusiasm, recruiting energy, love for Georgia Tech, trying to be positive about the reasons to come play for Georgia Tech.

Here is what I don’t like:
1. Game day he is too hyper. He is jumping out to coach offense, defense, special teams, animated every play. Let staff coach. Stay focused and calmer. Make key decisions well.
2. Just don’t see a clear offensive or defensive philosophy that players understand and execute. One of my favorite Saban quotes, “Good teams have tendencies.”
3. Too much overstatement and hyperbole. Some of his banter is fun. But, ultimately, substance trumps style.
4. Too much reliance on recruiting to solve everything eventually. Success requires a wholistic approach by the head coach to make sure recruiting, conditioning, player retention, player development, academic progress, practice, scouting, development of offensive, defensive and special teams approaches and schemes, now NIL opportunities, relationships with high school coaches, media relations, and who knows what else. Head coaches have to be sure that all facets of the program are on schedule. I don’t see Collins as the non-anxious presence that leads a complex system to succeed.

You forgot he is a highly skilled athletic trainer.

 

[Ed Sawyer]

Coordinators saw the same thing HC candidates saw in 2018. Why am I going to risk my career on a roster that I don’t think I can succeed with? That’s why we got a journeyman and a neophyte.

This is false. Thacker and Patenaude were always coming to Tech with Collins. It was part of Geoff's pitch during his interview.

 

[smokey_wasp]

I will be the last man to leave the Collins train because I am clinging to my belief that the recruiting is going to get us there. But if Collins wants to be here to reap the rewards of his recruiting efforts, we gotta start seeing something. If we lose out, I will have to enter the offseason as a disapprove and next year needs to be around 8 wins. I've got the BC game circled, for sure.

 

[smokey_wasp]

This is false. Thacker and Patenaude were always coming to Tech with Collins. It was part of Geoff's pitch during his interview.

I would have to go back and look but I am not sure about this. Thacker, probably, because Collins is a defensive guy and Thacker knows and runs what Collins wants. Patenaude I am not so sure about. I don't think he was an immediate hire and there were rumors of Godsey swirling around. I don't think anybody wanted to be that transitional guy and we needed extra cash to secure Brent Key.

 

[Ed Sawyer]

I would have to go back and look but I am not sure about this. Thacker, probably, because Collins is a defensive guy and Thacker knows and runs what Collins wants. Patenaude I am not so sure about. I don't think he was an immediate hire and there were rumors of Godsey swirling around. I don't think anybody wanted to be that transitional guy and we needed extra cash to secure Brent Key.

Godsey was never coming here. I got that straight from his brother. George hates recruiting and the hand-holding that college coaches have to do. George will be in the NFL as long as he can have a job there.

 

[smokey_wasp]

Godsey was never coming here. I got that straight from his brother. George hates recruiting and the hand-holding that college coaches have to do. George will be in the NFL as long as he can have a job there.

That I believe.

 

[BravoWhiskey]

If we are grading the coaching staff on their ability to produce dog öööö results, then they are aces in my book.

 

[knoxjacket]

This is false. Thacker and Patenaude were always coming to Tech with Collins. It was part of Geoff's pitch during his interview.

if that was part of the pitch there is no reason to believe we could’ve gotten better.

 

[gtm1ke]

No all year. The guy is clearly a clown.

 

[GTLiebs]

if that was part of the pitch there is no reason to believe we could’ve gotten better.

A good point, it depends on what kind of pitch it was. Was it like "I really need/want to bring these guys with me" or was it "I can convince these guys to come with me"?