O'line has been pathetic.....

Choice doesn't look quite right to me most rushes. He seems to be running too low like he's anticipating getting his clock cleaned. And I've seen him miss the hole pretty completely a few times. With a little corrective feedback he'll fix this.

Back in my good ole high school days we had screen right, screen left and center screen and they were all slow plays, with the QB in full retreat. It was used to slow down the Dline surge. Same principle as a draw play I guess.

Our offensive plays in general seem to lack any misdirection which we sorely need to help the OL. The reverses last week were perfect. Reminded me of some of Fridges plays...

The thing that looked so good about the Falcons running that spread handoff to the single back is that Vick and the running back were running at 90 degree angles and if a D lineman respected the fake to the RB then Vick was gone by the time he read the play. Reggie and the back seem to be going in the same direction or approximately the same direction. Then again its was just a straight handoff while the Falcons looked like Vick was reading and keeping at his option.
 
State, want you stay right here SCREW buzzoff .
That said a screen is a screen things have change over the years and thats been a lot of years for me.
 
I think everybody has gotten off point here. The quick hitting plays that were originally being discussed were running plays. You know, QB under center and a quick hitter into the line? All this talk about screens is interesting but doesn't speak to the point...our RUNNING game is based on delays. Our OL has trouble holding their blocks that long, or our backs and OL aren't in synch with their timing.
 
I am an old fart, older than SLJ, and I think of a "quick hitter" as a straight handoff from the QB under center to a RB inside the tackles. I really don't understand how screens got into this discussion at all.
ANd SLJ, i enjoy your posts and you belong here, not in BO.
 
I would never wish BuzzOFF on anyone. Even you SLJ. :)


Look, I don't see what the big deal is. Our offense has been mediocre for the past 3 years, based on things like "quick hitting plays." Now I defended the Chan offensive philosophy of burning time off the clock more than once, and I'll do it again, but sooner or later you've got to gain some yards and score some points.


This shotgun thingy works for the players we've got. Not only does it work, but it's proven to work on all levels of play. Texas just won a Championship with it, and the Falcons just beat the dogshit out of Tampa with it. Same offense. Taking a dump on an offense that works, in favor of an offense for which we have definitive evidence of its failure, is just dumb.

Isn't it? Am I missing something?
 
I don't see anyone saying we should abandon the shotgun. What some question is whether we're giving up things that could also work in some situations. You can't really be arguing that the timing on our running game works so far in short yardage situation. The question is what would improve it...different formations, different play selection, or what.
 
Well running off tackle in the I hasn't worked very well all season, although play action faking and throwing to the TE or FB *has* worked on more than one occasion.

I think part of the "problem" isn't so much a problem with us as it is a problem with the opponents. Teams are so used to GT film from previous years, where we would almost invariably line up in the I in short yardage and run forward, that they're stacking the box and conceeding the pass. Can't blame that on the OL, we just have to attack the D where they're weakest when they do that - in the flats, and through the air.
 
Limiting the discussion to quick hitting running plays ONLY:

I would like to see more of those and I would love for us to be effective running on 3rd and short. I did not have the best view last Saturday to judge the effectiveness of our O-line, but I will keep a close eye on it tomorrow night. I want to see if we are truly getting beat on the line, or if it is creating opportunities elsewhere for WR's and RB's.
 
First of all, the only game I've seen was ND since it was on TV. But from the discussions about our offense and what I saw in that game, I wonder how many off tackle plays from the I we've actually run? What percentage have we even lined up with Reggie under center?

My whole point is that we seem to be limiting ourselves to more of a shotgun formation. I'm not saying we shouldn't use it, or even that it shouldn't be our primary formation. But I also don't think you can blame the OL for not holding blocks in short yardage situations when we're running delays from the shotgun.
 
But I also don't think you can blame the OL for not holding blocks in short yardage situations when we're running delays from the shotgun.
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I don't recall us running the ball on third and short out of the shotgun after it failed twice vs ND. We do line up under center in short yardage situations, though. the purpose of the shotgun stuff is to avoid 3rd and short entirely, by getting first downs on first and second down. Incedentally, that's the hallmark of a 'high powered' offense, IMO. It's not the "big" play for 40 yards, it's the automatic play for 8 or 12 that moves the chains without having to bother with 3rd down conversions. The JoeHam 1999 offense averaged better than 10 yards on first down, which was probably the greatest offense in the history of college football.

I understand why Nix called those plays vs ND - because he thought ND would spread out to defend the pass, but ND didn't honor our ability to pass so the playcall failed. Nix is "learning" the offense too, in some capacity.
 
statelinejacket said:
Beej: Quick hitting plays do not start out laterally. That is the last I will state on the subject.

Wilmoo: Who? What is a 'Wilmoo'?

JTS: No, and because it is against the rules for a lineman to be downfield when a pass is thrown. Otherwise if coaches or writers of dictionarys want to add the term 'screen' to virtually any kind of pass.....just as coaches in days of yore added such terms as 'Winged' and 'Split' to offshoots of the original 'T' formation......even though it was no longer a true 'T' formation.....I have no contol over that.
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A wilmoo is a fan who will be all over your ass for any of your self serving rants intended to show how smart you are about football and how dumb you are about the "team" concept that we care about at Tech. Give some props when they are due to our efforts. In the work environment , you would be considered an overbearing ,anal a--h---.
 
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