One of the better REALIST posts I've read..

I've known for a long time that the average college fan knows very little about the game, but some of the posts in this thread really bring that fact home.

In the Gailey years, GT has been ranked 92, 96, 101, 109 and 92 nationally in passing efficiency. Some folks think that is all Reggie's fault (he throws the incompletions, so it must be his fault); some folks think we are doing fine because we lost the ACCCG this year (scored 6 points--should have been enough I guess; and we beat UNC, never mind that we scored one TD when Duke hung 44 points on them).

The original post points out solid football reasons why our passing offense is so bad. We ask a QB to make the hardest throws, while ignoring easier ones. We make the DBs' jobs very easy, since they only have to defend a small portion of the field, and at the same time, we make the QB's job hard. And we never looked at the TE or a back in the last 2 games of the season, making the defensive responsibilities even easier.

Some folks in this thread can't or don't see these issues when they watch a game. Now, someone has pointed it out to them and they still don't get it.

Keep thinking it's all Reggie's fault. That opinion will be equally valid next year.
 
jacketup said:
The original post points out solid football reasons why our passing offense is so bad. We ask a QB to make the hardest throws, while ignoring easier ones.
I saw Taylor Bennett throw some nice slants against Duke. And you can say, "So what, they're Duke!" but Reggie Ball's first pass against them was an INT into triple coverage.
 
jacketup said:
Keep thinking it's all Reggie's fault. That opinion will be equally valid next year.

Well its no way to tell if it was Reggie choosing their low percent routes or if it was the play call. I saw other guys open in short yardage on all those long plays, but Reggie went deep. Whether he was told to look deep first or choose to, there is no way for any of us to know. I'm not sure if we are asking Ball to make tough throws and he is choosing to make tough throws.

Regardless, Bennett seems to be better at reading defenses from what I've seen and heard, so I think he'd be quicker to dump it off underneath, even if the primary guy is on a deep route.
 
That's the real question imo. Is Reggie picking the wrong receiver or is the wrong play being called? What bothers me most though is that either way the coaches can fix it, either by play calling or benching Reggie. I think they fell into a trap that they knew Reggie would give them a winning season and could beat 7+ teams on the schedule and weren't as confident that TB or any of the backups were as sure of a thing. The problem is they weren't willing to take the risk that could have meant rough times at first but maybe a better overall season. It's that pro mind set. You don't pull your QB until you're done with him for good. They just couldn't pull that trigger.
 
I watched Fridge's SR QB throw 3 picks in 7 attempts in the biggest game of his career.

In fact Fridge has fired/retired 4 coordinators at MD and with more talent than GT (based on recruiting stats) falls short of CG for the 4th straight year.

I keep bringing up Fridge b/c this is someone we all believe was instrumental in Hamilton/Godsey's success.

Great players make great coaches. I do think Nix is a young coach that made some mistakes but we all start somewhere. Like someone stated earlier if Reggie had completed ANY of those long balls in the last two games it would have changed Nix/Gailey's coaching ability significantly.

Both Ugag/Wake's QB's made some throws under intense pressure that Reggie has not done in awhile.

Hopefully our QB play will improve next year and we can all start complaining about the blocking, catching, and etc.
 
I really do wonder what you guys are watching. Oh yeah, you just watch the ball.

If Reggie had seen a GT receiver open underneath in the middle, he should have been taken out of the game. He would have been hallucinating.
 
My biggest problem with Nix is his lack of experience at calling a game is so obvious to a casual fan. If its so freaking obvious, then there's got to be even ore inexperience under the surface. Bottom line, Nix is over his head and not experienced enough to coach a QB or be an OC. He may be a good coach in some respect, but calling an offensive game and coaching a QB are not two of his strong suits.

The last two games were so abysmal, that I have yet to hear anything regarding a "knee jerk" reaction to those games. That's how bad they were. I have absolutely no doubt that I could have called a better game than Nix did. Not coach the players, but actually call the offensive game sequence. It was that bad.
 
Nix is holding us back?

Buddy - Who has Nix learned under? Pat Dye thinks the forward pass was for sissys and Terry Bowden thought the solution to all the world's problems was a 4 yard route on 3rd and 5. As pointed out above, it's not like he did anything in Div III.

Patrick Nix is as much the problem as Chan Gailey...on offense.
 
WOW - so who is the guy on defense that's better than Calvin Johnson if the D got all the talent?

Who is their Tony Hollings? Oh wait. he was moved from defense to offense.
 
Great players make great coaches?

Mark Richt was a terrible college QB.
Lou Holtz wasn't a great player.
Charlie Weis wasn't a great player.
Knute Rockne wasn't a great player.
Nick Saban wasn't a great player.
Bobby Bowden wasn't a great player.


On the other hand
Ray Goff was a great college QB.
Bill Russell was a great NBA player.
Magic Johnson was a great NBA Player.
Babe Ruth was a great player.


Being a great coach has nothing to do with being a great player.
 
that comment makes no sense jacketup. Care to elaborate or do you just like insulting people?
 
I think the post is fairly accurate. Reggie is Reggie but the coaching has not helped him at all, in fact they have put him in position to crash and burn... and he did.
 
TampaJacket said:
You call it realistic, but I call it as agenda-driven and factually incorrect. Typical Buzzoff (and StingTalk and Hive) material.

We just won our division, almost won the ACCCG, are playing in an east coast bowl, and have just landed the best recruiting class in at least the best decade, and possibly ever. However the naysayers, including the poster of this thread and the majority of this forum, seem to take glory in pointing out the shortcomings of our team if for no other reason than too much of their own self worth is wrapped up in the performance of college athletics -- sad.

I really feel badly for your kids, significant others, and employees/coworkers -- you must truly be a joy to work with/be around with all the pessimism and venom over something which you have absolutely no control over....Mike

Are you replying to me? I'm not sure. Regardless, you did a great job of refuting any of that opinions mentioned by the poster.

How you get off on summarizing my private life by saying I am a joy to be around, you don;t even know me. Why do you take it so personally when someone makes unflattering comments about our coaching staff? Why does that bother you so much? Get a life.
 
BarrelORum said:
Are you replying to me? I'm not sure. Regardless, you did a great job of refuting any of that opinions mentioned by the poster.

How you get off on summarizing my private life by saying I am a joy to be around, you don;t even know me. Why do you take it so personally when someone makes unflattering comments about our coaching staff? Why does that bother you so much? Get a life.

Only the first paragraph was intended for you specifically, although you are certainly among the group that I'm referring to in the second and third paragraphs.

Secondly, had I wanted to refute the comments of the post you quoted, you'd know it. I really didn't want to get into it because in so doing it would give some credence into the crap spewed by the author and repeated as "REALIST" by you. However, since you raised the issue, here's one example of a factually incorrect statement. Consider this quote:

It's a travesty that redshirt freshman like Riley Skinner and Matt Stafford can come to the line of scrimmage, get a presnap ready against the defense (especially one like ours that disguises so well) and then regularly change plays to get the offense out of disasterous plays so you can live to play another down.

Riley Skinner does not audible at the line -- the WF offense looks to the sideline to get the audible from the OC who signals it in. Secondly, if it is a "travesty", then it is one shared with the majority of college football programs that don't audible at the line...but don't let the facts get in the way of the agenda.

So, let me get this straight. I shouldn't comment on your actions because I don't know you? Do you smell the hypocrisy? So how do you justify your insults, generalizations, and grandstanding against our players and coaches? Oh, I forgot, because of all your experience playing and coaching division 1 football -- because after all, "I have absolutely no doubt that I could have called a better game than Nix did." :laugher:

Lastly, might I suggest that you, who has 2000+ posts on this forum and how many posts on the Hive before being banned -- the vast majority of which are the same second-guessing and insults repeated ad nauseum -- should be the one who should "get a life"...or at least a better outloook on life. All this pessimism is unhealthy and counterproductive, and our coaches and players do not deserve it.

Seriously, have a nice day -- you might enjoy it, the people around you will certainly enjoy it, and you will be a more effective person and leader...Mike
 
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YodaBee said:
Great players make great coaches?

Mark Richt was a terrible college QB.
Lou Holtz wasn't a great player.
Charlie Weis wasn't a great player.
Knute Rockne wasn't a great player.
Nick Saban wasn't a great player.
Bobby Bowden wasn't a great player.


On the other hand
Ray Goff was a great college QB.
Bill Russell was a great NBA player.
Magic Johnson was a great NBA Player.
Babe Ruth was a great player.


Being a great coach has nothing to do with being a great player.

I think you missed the point. He didn't say great players BECOME great coaches. Great players MAKE great coaches means that a coach who has talented players is perceived as great. That is, to use your examples, Bill Russell helped make Red Auerbach, Magic Johnson helped make Pat Riley, etc.

P.S.
Ray Goff was a GREAT college QB? Wow, that's a stretch. They pulled him anytime a pass play was required.
 
YodaBee said:
Great players make great coaches?

Mark Richt was a terrible college QB.
Lou Holtz wasn't a great player.
Charlie Weis wasn't a great player.
Knute Rockne wasn't a great player.
Nick Saban wasn't a great player.
Bobby Bowden wasn't a great player.


On the other hand
Ray Goff was a great college QB.
Bill Russell was a great NBA player.
Magic Johnson was a great NBA Player.
Babe Ruth was a great player.


Being a great coach has nothing to do with being a great player.

Does this mean that Reggie willl be our coach one day?
:laugher: :laugher: :laugher:
 
Lonestar, maybe I'm not as old as you so my memory hasn't faded as much. Goof was SEC Player of the Year for the 1976 team that played for the national title before being obliterated by Tony Dorset's Pitt squad.

In the mid-70s a QB running the Veer who took his team to the national title game and was named his conference's POY was a great college QB.


Also - You are correct in that I misunderstand your point. Great players make good coaches look great is what you apparently meant. But I missed that point entirely. Joe Hamilton certainly made Ralph look better than his Maryland QBs have. Thus and therefore, I agree with you, sir.
 
Tampa, I got banned for the Hive because I would post LEGIT criticisms of our coaches at times, and it ruffled people's feathers. In every case with the exception of one, after my initial post, I would be attacked personally (kind of like your post to me) instead of someone refuting any evidence that I may have pointed out. It was like dealing with a bunch of cry babies who couldn't hear anything bad at all. So when I went on the attack, I got banned, and then told I was the one who started it. When in fact you had the same group of merry posters who would call me names, tell me that I'm a miserable person to be around, etc. etc. and that was tolerated. I've discussed this ad nauseum with JOJATK who I get along with and agree with a lot. I think he understands where I am coming from.

What's funny is there are a few posters on that board that have met me. AFR, GTDean, BuzzCut, DixieJacket, GTMoose, Vu, and some others. I don't think anyone who has personally met me would say to me what many have said on these boards. I'm a positive guy and I scream my head off for GT. I think it shows.

But when a Coach is lousy, I'm gonna call him out. And Nix was lousy, and YES, I KNOW that I could have called a better game than him. At halftime in the Wake game, I told my buddies that I don't understand why we are not running curl patterns until the cows come home. Its a high percentage pass play and easy for Reggie to complete. I said with the amount of cushion (as the orignal poster correctly stated) the Wake players were giving us, I would run 4 wide, one back sets and have everyone do curl routes, and let Reggie hit the easy curl or run it. I would mix that in with hand offs to Choice. And then when they started playing tight, then MAYBE I would start passing the ball deep.

So what happens? Nix comes out in the 2nd half and guess what... we drove down the field with curl routes and Reggie and Choice running. They never adjusted, and we start throwing the long bomb the rest of the game and low percentage pass plays to the outside of the field. Why? Choice was effective all day long. Why not drive it down their throats?

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize what was working. And we didn't do it. On top of that we continuously played to our weakness which was putting Ball in 3rd and 6-7 passing situations. How many times did we pass on 1st down in the 2nd half?

I'm not saying I am a better coach than Nix. Far from it. I don't know techniques taught at the college level. I played football from 6th grade through HS, that is the extent of my experience. But I know enough football to say without a doubt that I could have actually called a better game given our playbook than what we did for UGA and Wake. In fact, I know a lot of people who could have.

Regardless, back to the point. You and others have major problems with these message boards that you really need to come to grips with. 1.) Its a message board. People like to talk about what is going on, not candy cane fantasys and sugar coated crap. I'm here to discuss GT football, the ins , the outs, the coaches, the players. That's what I'm here for. I don't want a shot of Bo-Tox.

Now listen closely, because I'm only going to say this once... WHY DOES THAT MAKE ME NEGATIVE? Why do people think I'm being negative? I truly don't understand this. This is the biggest fallacy of the message boards is that someone is negative because they have a gripe. someone has a gripe because they care and they want to express it to see if others tend to agree with them.

I'm not a negative person. I'm successful in my life, and have been through enough leadership programs to know what true leadership is. I'll put my career up against many. I have helped raise money for the GTAA and have gotten a lot of young people involved in supporting GT athletics. I've also put my money where my mouth is. True leadership is not sitting there idly by and being a cheerleader 24/7 on the sidelines. Leaders pose difficult questions AND look for positive outcomes. I questioned Dave Braine for his entire career at Tech and continuously called out his shortcomings. Others didn't and said "I trust Braine to make the right decision". Looking back on that, who was right? Was I being negative?

I'm not saying Gailey ought to be fired now. But he has shown some very bad trends that need to be corrected, and if we don;t question that, then we will continue to be force fed these negative results.

I only get pissed off when I put something out there for consideration, and then get attacked for doing it. Why can't you handle it? Why can't other guys handle it? What the hell is the problem? I'm not on here continually taking cheap shots, making insults and making generalizations as you claim. That's horse sh*t. I've made a lot of good points and typically I don't open my mouth about something unless there's evidence to support it. I think I've made some strong arguements in the past. And I think the original post makes some strong arguements too. Sure it isn't 100% correct, but I never said it was. But its pretty close to nailing what our problems and you can tell the guy loves GT because the emotion behind it.

Is he negative? Not in my opinion. He's just passionate. Wish more fans were like him.

I know I come across as arrogant to you, but a lot of that is not succumbing to people who continually make efforts to put me down. Being arrogant just pisses them off. To boot there are people on this board and others who are both Chan supporters and detractors that in my opinion (and I think many would agree) continually show their ignorance to football but more importantly GT athletics and the way things work. At some point after to responding to these people several times and getting nowhere, I just put them on my "short bus" list and move on. You typically don't see me post responses to people I find completely irrational, which is why I avoid many of the people who post on Buzzoff. Its also why I don't get into it with a few posters here that will remain nameless. What's the point? So I guess that makes me arrogant. Don't know.
 
BarrelORum said:
Tampa, I got banned for the Hive because I would post LEGIT criticisms of our coaches at times, and it ruffled people's feathers. In every case with the exception of one, after my initial post, I would be attacked personally (kind of like your post to me) instead of someone refuting any evidence that I may have pointed out. It was like dealing with a bunch of cry babies who couldn't hear anything bad at all. So when I went on the attack, I got banned, and then told I was the one who started it. When in fact you had the same group of merry posters who would call me names, tell me that I'm a miserable person to be around, etc. etc. and that was tolerated. I've discussed this ad nauseum with JOJATK who I get along with and agree with a lot. I think he understands where I am coming from.
As BOR says he and I have had many discussions and yes, we do agree quite a bit in the content of what is said (in general, not necessarily agreeing or disagreeing with his posts in this thread). He does accurately use the word "attack" here and he knows that the attack is what got him banned and not the sports content.

I actually also have to agree that BOR isn't really a negative person. I think that many people just misunderstand where he's coming from at times. Unlike some others who offer criticism (and I'm talking about criticism that is deserved, not just pot shots) I think I can unequivocally say that BORs criticism of our athletics is most definitely not malicious. There's not a single doubt in my mind that his greatest wish would be for our current staff to lead us to great success and he'll be very happy if they do. I would offer that sometimes the message gets garbled by the delivery method.

All that having been said I'm glad that there is a forum in which BOR can express himself because I think he does have some pretty good insights at times and I generally enjoy the sporting content of his posts. The Hive just has different rules (not "better", just different) on how one expresses oneself and it was those rules that BOR ran afoul of.
 
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