One of the better REALIST posts I've read..

[TampaJacket]

Thanks for your thoughtful reply, I appreciate it.

Two points I'd like to address...

First, as to why people (and I hope you'll agree I'm not the only one) find you negative -- simply take a look at your posts and read them objectively. How many of your posts were positive things? I can't think of a single one, but I honestly don't keep that close of a tab on your posts. If you don't believe me, just say so and I'll do a bit of statisical analysis later tonight when I have some spare time...

Second, I don't have problems with pointing out shortcomings or suggesting alternatives, but focusing completely on the negative, and using a tone and word choice which implies that you have any experience to back up your strong words, then repeating the point over and over again just rubs me (and others) the wrong way. I mean it is hardly new news that our quarterback is inconsistent, our OC is inexperienced, our head coach is a relationship guy who is loyal to a fault, and calling a different play in a particular situation may have yielded a different result, so why do you feel it necessary to beat a dead horse and do it in a demeaning manner?

None of these faults, however, are justification in my eyes for the venom with which many of the posts show towards athletes that work harder than virtually all of us did when in school and coaches that dedicate their lives to their job -- they deserve more from those that call themselves supporters of the program.

Please consider taking the criticisms as constructive -- you clearly are an articulate and intelligent person with a great deal of passion for our athletic programs. I just wish you'd use these blessings in a more constructive manner.

Take care...Mike

[edited for word choice and because apparently spelling "yielded" is beyond my ability ]

 

[lonestarjacket]

Lonestar, maybe I'm not as old as you so my memory hasn't faded as much. Goof was SEC Player of the Year for the 1976 team that played for the national title before being obliterated by Tony Dorset's Pitt squad.

In the mid-70s a QB running the Veer who took his team to the national title game and was named his conference's POY was a great college QB.


Also - You are correct in that I misunderstand your point. Great players make good coaches look great is what you apparently meant. But I missed that point entirely. Joe Hamilton certainly made Ralph look better than his Maryland QBs have. Thus and therefore, I agree with you, sir.

First, it wasn't my original post. I was just explaining because I read your post first, and agreed, and then found the other post and realized it was making a different point.

I do remember Goff and despite his SEC POY honors (I'll take your word for that) a QB who mostly hands off to an impressive running attack still doesn't qualify to be mentioned in the same context as Magic Johnson and Bill Russell.

I suspect Goff's POY honors were more respect for the accomplishments of the team than the individual. QBs always get too much credit and too much blame. Vince Dooley "took his team to the national title game", not Ray Goff. BTW to prove my memory is not that bad, it wasn't a "national title game" either (as much as the UGA fans wanted it to be). UGA was ranked #4 coming into the game and even a win over #1 wasn't likely to leapfrog them to #1.

 

[YodaBee]

in the old days

#4 beating #1 could've gotten them #1. That's what Miami did vs. Nebraska in '83.

I honestly didn't have any idea what UGA was ranked in that game. I was just hoping it wasn't 10th because that would screw up a perfectly good comment. Your memory might be better than mine after all.

 

[jacketup]

None of these faults, however, are justification in my eyes for the venom with which many of the posts show towards athletes that work harder than virtually all of us did when in school and coaches that dedicate their lives to their job -- they deserve more from those that call themselves supporters of the program.

That's half right. The coaches are paid to do a job. When the offense scores 7 points against the number 11 defense in the ACC, a defense that gave up 44 to Duke, venom may be too good for the coaches responsible.

 

[BarrelORum]

None of these faults, however, are justification in my eyes for the venom with which many of the posts show towards athletes that work harder than virtually all of us did when in school and coaches that dedicate their lives to their job -- they deserve more from those that call themselves supporters of the program.

Take care...Mike

[edited for word choice and because apparently spelling "yielded" is beyond my ability ]

Mike I appreciate your response. And I agree with a lot of what you said and certainly will try to tame some aspects of my posting. However as Jacketup somewhat touched on, those coaches are paid LOT os money to perform a job which quite frankly they've been grossly incompetent at that for 3 of our last 4 games. They deserve a lot of heat from the fan base. The last two coaching efforts in particular by Nix and Gailey are totally unacceptable and disgusting. They owed much more than they displayed to the other coaches, their players, the School, and the fans of GT. They need to be held accountable.

 

[mm42]

I really do wonder what you guys are watching. Oh yeah, you just watch the ball.

If Reggie had seen a GT receiver open underneath in the middle, he should have been taken out of the game. He would have been hallucinating.

Well, if Taylor fails to complete any passes in the middle in the Gator Bowl, then I will issue an apology to you. I fully expect one from you if he completes any slants or middle routes.

 

[pocket_watch]

Well, if Taylor fails to complete any passes in the middle in the Gator Bowl, then I will issue an apology to you. I fully expect one from you if he completes any slants or middle routes.

I took his comment to mean eligible receivers don't run those routes with RB in the game.
With TB in, I expect most balls to be thrown between the numbers.

 

[H-town]

This is indeed way too harsh. Yes, there's truth in it for the most part, but it's woefully incomplete in that it neglects the reality of the effects that coaching transition, flunkgate, recruiting restrictions, NCAA sanctions, injuries, and the actual state of the program when O'Leary left have had on the team.

We, quite simply, have been playing with a shortage of manpower on the team for the past 5 years. It shows up, time and time again. We're going to be short on manpower for the next year or two until our recruiting lets us reload. That's dependant both on the improved recruiting we've seen this year AND on the lifting of the NCAA sancitons.

Wow. You sure do make a lot of excuses. Is your whole life like that? Excuse after excuse after excuse?

 

[H-town]

I agree in general with what the guy said, but I think it was a bit extreme. It is possible we may need to bring in a new QB coach to help our guys with their mechnics, but I think Nix will do fine as OC. Look at our conference ranking in the ACC this year compared to last couple years. We had on of the top overal offenses in the conference this year, period. Could it improve, of course. But in less than one year as OC, we went from like the 10th-11th offense in the ACC to the top 4, and that's with a subpar QB. The offense is going in the right direction, atleast give the guy a full year as OC before you starting calling for his head.

I don't agree with anything you've said. The ACC sucked this year. This was our year to be #1 in everything. What happened?

 

[GEETEELEE]

Wow. You sure do make a lot of excuses. Is your whole life like that? Excuse after excuse after excuse?

Excuse me? What excuses? It's what's happened, man. It's reality. Deal with it instead of dismissing it as "excuses".

I don't make excuses in my life, I do my best to deal with the reality of what happens.

So what do you propose? Fire a coach after every loss? THAT'll teach 'em, by gawd!

We had a golden opportunity to win the ACC, beat UGA and play in the Orange bowl, but there were multiple failures on the part of both the coaches and players. Mistakes in judgement, and in execution, and to give credit where credit is due, mistakes forced by our opponents on the field. Some of these mistakes can be traced directly to a lack of manpower and some can be traced right down to a brain fart. That's not excuses, it's the way it is.


Excuses. I got your excuse right heah, budrow.

 

[TampaJacket]

I don't agree with anything you've said. The ACC sucked this year. This was our year to be #1 in everything. What happened?

I think your expectations were unrealistic, you are overly invested in them, and you are now disappointed -- that's what happened....Mike

[edited for word choice]