People on the hive are delusional

[TampaJacket]

Count the posters in the threads. That's not generalizing. Take this thread for instance. I count 2 (possibly 3) pro-Gailey posters.

Please don't confuse a lack of pro-Chan responses to this thread as indicitative of our fanbase. It is a (bad IMO) generalization, as I suspect most of them want nothing to do with the fellowship of the miserable on this forum...Mike

 

[knoxjacket]

But I could just as easily make the same weak argument to support my mass-generalization statement. Here, watch:

To be fair, it's been that way for the anti-Gailey crowd for years, to the point where a vast majority of them actually hoped for failure to get rid of him. Count the anti-Gailey posters years ago, and you'd see the same 5 or 6 guys hoping we'd lose so Gailey would get fired.


What's good for the goose is good for the gander, dude. Don't generalize unless you're willing to accept a "to be fair" generalization in rebuttal.

Are we talking years ago? No. We're talking right now. Fairness isn't the issue, relevance is.

 

[knoxjacket]

Please don't confuse a lack of pro-Chan responses to this thread as indicitative of our fanbase. It is a (bad IMO) generalization, as I suspect most of them want nothing to do with the fellowship of the miserable on this forum...Mike

You're right. Ignore the callers into the radio show, ignore the posters on the Stingtalk, ignore the commenters on the AJC, ignore the thousands booing Chan, etc, etc.

Everyone loves Chan.

 

[beej67]

Are we talking years ago? No. We're talking right now.

Here, have a shovel. Dig yourself a little deeper.

To be fair, it's been that way for the anti-Gailey crowd for years, to the point where a vast majority of them actually hoped for failure to get rid of him.

That's not even remotely true. Four or five buzzoffers doesn't make most of the anti-Gailey crowd and you know it. Drawing conclusions and making generalizations like that with no evidence is retarded.

reading comprehension ++

You are accusing an entire faction of Tech fans of wanting what's bad for our program, based on the opinions of a select few. I merely said, to be fair, that the same thing can be done to the other faction. Which is true. Lighten up.

 

[knoxjacket]

Why am I not surprised that fellatio67 has totally misconstrued yet another post?

 

[beej67]

Why am I not surprised Knox responds to intelligent discourse with personal attacks?

I reiterate,

You are accusing an entire faction of Tech fans of wanting what's bad for our program, based on the opinions of a select few. I merely said, to be fair, that the same thing can be done to the other faction. Which is true. Lighten up.

 

[knoxjacket]

I'm not responding to intelligent discourse. I'm responding to word-twisting and "gotchas", a game you've been playing a long time and should have been called out on long ago.

I'm not accusing anyone of wanting what's bad for the program. I'm accusing them of putting their own pride above the well-being of the program similarly to what Chan has done during his time here.

 

[TampaJacket]

I'm not accusing anyone of wanting what's bad for the program. I'm accusing them of putting their own pride above the well-being of the program similarly to what Chan has done during his time here.

Doesn't that sword cut both ways, i.e. aren't Chan-haters putting their own pride above the well-being of the program?

 

[beej67]

I'm not accusing anyone of wanting what's bad for the program. I'm accusing them of putting their own pride above the well-being of the program ...

...which is the exact thing on which Buzzoff was founded. It's why it shuts down after every win. I'm not saying there aren't pro-Chan people who put their own positions before the good of the program. I'm merely saying that there are anti-Chan people who do the same thing. I fail to see how this is playing "gotcha," or word twisting. It should be blatantly obvious, to anyone who looked at both factions without adding their own agenda to the mix. For you to deny that one faction does it by saying "the actions of a few do not represent the many," and then accuse another by saying "the actions of a few do represent the many," is the only thing "retarded" about this discussion. And for you to get personal with it after making such an obvious blunder is immature.

 

[TampaJacket]

You're right. Ignore the callers into the radio show, ignore the posters on the Stingtalk, ignore the commenters on the AJC, ignore the thousands booing Chan, etc, etc.

Everyone loves Chan.

Thank you for agreeing, I think.

Regardless, the point I was making is that you can't judge a fanbase by the vocal minority. Those calling for coaches heads (or calling for change in general) will always outnumber the vocal supporters -- it is simply human nature. Again, I believe you are confusing the vocal minority with our overall fanbase's opinion, which is not so united for change and you would have us believe.

Respectfully submitted...Mike

 

[knoxjacket]

Thank you for agreeing, I think.

Regardless, the point I was making is that you can't judge a fanbase by the vocal minority. Those calling for coaches heads (or calling for change in general) will always outnumber the vocal supporters -- it is simply human nature. Again, I believe you are confusing the vocal minority with our overall fanbase's opinion, which is not so united for change and you would have us believe.

Respectfully submitted...Mike

You seriously believe those who want Chan gone are the minority? :laugher::laugher::laugher:

 

[beej67]

Lets be real clear on something:

How many people "love Chan" now is immaterial to the point I'm trying to make, which is the point that you, Knox, brought up.

Say there's 10 assholes who hate Chan and want us to lose so he'll get fired. Say there's 10 assholes who love Chan and want him to stay even if he sucks. Whether the remaining 80 tech fans swing one way or another has nothing to do with whether or not the 10 extremist Buzzoffers or 10 extremist Hivers are assholes. Both are assholes. Both factions have **** that stinks. Stop claiming that your faction's **** doesn't stink, and stop claiming the right to generalize one faction while saying the other one's not allowed to be generalized.

beej67,
doesn't formulate his opinions based on a faction

 

[knoxjacket]

I'm not in a faction. You are and always have been. There's a reason this is the only place I can post and that's cause I don't tow the party line. The reason this is the only place you can post is because you're a douchebag who throws things at refs. Otherwise you'd be all snuggled up with your hiver buddies.

You're the John McCain of message boards. A faux-"Maverick."

 

[beej67]

Nice retort! I commend you on your ability to address the issue at hand without letting things slip into personal attacks. You truly are a model citizen and Tech fan, and I'm glad to have you on our side.

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[THWUGA]

I don't mean to interrupt the pissing match, but I've got to agree with beej on this one. I've been on the Hive a long time, and I've been on StingTalk a long time. I used to post a lot on both, but now post very little on either unless I *think* I have something meaningful to add to the conversation.

I was a staunch supporter of CCG until this year, when it became clear to me that after 6 years, we haven't turned the corner, aside from the fact that this was supposed to be the turning-the-corner year. Stringing two 9-win seasons together. Competing for the ACC 2 straight years. These would be very meaningful accomplishments at Tech.

I'm definitely in the middle 80%, and I know there are a lot out there like myself. There are fonts on the Hive that I could name (and you would easily recognize the handle) who are beyond ready for Gailey to go, but will not damn him publicly.

Most of the 80% think that Gailey needs to go 3-0 to deserve any further time at the flats, but if he does go 3-0 and achieve an 8-4 season with a win over UGA, he definitely deserves another year. I'm sure no one cares, but I fall into that category right now, and a bowl win on top of that would cement my support for him next year. 9-4 with a win over UGA? That's a very, verry good season, no matter how you cut it.

EDIT: Forgot to add that I think the odds of us going 3-0 to finish up the season are remote, at best. I mean, like 5:1 remote.

 

[Buzzing72]

I have a challenge to all Stingtalk members:

Instead of posting a new thread about this topic twice per week, consider maybe bumping last weeks' version instead, which would save us all some type typing.

Sure thing God!

 

[Buzzing72]

Look, beej, I'm not going to get into it with you, but don't post things like "stop posting" and not expect me to reply.

Best watch out Kyle he may add you to his baned list on his signature! you know you don't want that. He is God you know.

 

[TampaJacket]

You seriously believe those who want Chan gone are the minority? :laugher::laugher::laugher:

That's not what I was suggesting. Rather than discuss the issue you'd rather mock me, so in response....

I'm glad you got a good laugh and hope you enjoy the rest of your afternoon...Mike

 

[kirbee]

Hive = pussies
StinGTalk = cool guys
BBuzzoff = douchebags

HIVE is people that mean well but have blinders on for the most part

THis board is a good middle ground

Buzz off is not a bad board its just the "anti-Hive" which isnt good or bad, just what you feel like reading...

This board has some people that might need physical therapy from patting themselves on the back. I don't really give a flip which board is better. It seems rather juvenile to be concerned with which group is cooler.

 

[GTKyle]

And "Stop Whining" is just A-OK, coming from one of the biggest whiners on the board?

These "STINGTALK IS TEH GREATEST!!1!1" circle jerk threads are dumb, dude. I can see maybe one per month, but twice a week is seriously annoying.

Part of discussion forum etiquette is realizing that not everybody hits 'refresh' every ten minutes and replies to every post, so good discussion board communities try to minimize thread redundancy. That means keeping most of the "FIRE CHAN!!!!" posts in the same thread, but it also means keeping most/all of the "OMG TEH HIVE SUKS" posts in the same thread as well.

I've been posting on discussion forums since the days before internet, where you had to use your external 1200 baud modem to dial in to BBSes hosted at some other dude's house. Forum etiquette's been around since then. If Stingtalk really is supposed to be a better forum, its posters need to chill out, pause, and learn some basic forum etiquette. You're pretty high on that list, Kyle, but you're not the only one.

Listen to yourself. You're complaining about net-etiquette. Wow, you are probably one of those people that goes apesh!t over someone not using a coaster. Maybe everyone should just message you before they create a thread so you can dig up some semi-related thread created weeks ago they can just attach their post to.

Get over yourself.