Randy Edsall research...

I believe we had 8 Defensive TDs in 1998 when Edsall was here. Our current offense has only scored 8 TDs in ACC play. Not sure on the breakdown between fumbles and INTs though.
 
8 consecutive was indeed the number. And I recall you saying to me, at one of those games JT, "Hell, who cares if they can stop the other guys, as long as they keep scoring?"

Ahh memories.
 
thwg said:
They have so much competition it's not funny. To put this in perspective, I went on in the middle of the night Saturday/sunday trying to figure out if they went for 2 in the 1st quarter last week.

the NY times has maybe 5 paragraphs on the game(they played Rutgers - who is getting whatever NYC attention will be paid to Big East football).

Hartford had nothing on the game. They evidently don't even put up anything til the day after.

Boston doesn't know UCONN exists.

Basically, Randy is playing a game that gets no more coverage than UCONN women's basketball in CONN and is not even acknowledged elsewhere in the NE.

In CONN, here's how it goes:

1. Red Sox
2. Yankees
3. Pats
4. Giants
5. Mets
6. Celtics
7. NY Rangers
8. Boston Bruins
9. UCONN Men's bball
10. Uconn Women's bball
11. - 20. - Lots of other stuff mostly NBA and NHL

Somewhere below the interest of the defunct Hartford Whalers that will likely be given back to Hartford one day soon you can find the level of interest of UCONN football.

Imagine Gwinnett Minor League hockey and that's about what UCONN football is up there.
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(You really don't know how close to home for me you're hitting with those comments), but you obviously don't understand, nor do you have the proper perspective. First of all, you pretend that one can only be a single sport fan. Good to know you don't follow ANY other teams in ANY other sport. Most of the rest of us do.

The fact that their coverage is lacking in NYC and Boston means absolutely nothing to the fans in central Connecticut. Yes, there are other sports that garner the media attention, but from a college football standpoint, Huskie football is the big dog in town. The fact that you'd put the two basketball programs at #9 & #10 shows you don't understand the dynamics up there.

As Essobee pointed out, Atlanta is the X-road for southern college football. Throw in the Braves, Hawks, Thrashers, Falcons, and yes, the Gwinnett Gladiators. Georgia Tech can't even sell out its home games without considerable help from the opposition. Even with a crappy schedule, UConn is at 94.5% capacity, most of which are season ticket holders, which isn't something we can say.

My point is, and has been, that Edsall is on track with UConn football to be where we say our program should be if he continues to stay the course he's mapped out with considerably less of the bull**** he has to put up with down here. Which is the same thing Jim Calhoun did. And the same thing Gino Auriema did. And Rich Rodriguez did at WVU. There is a precedent.

All I asked is why he would give that up to come here and the oh-so-intelligent response I get is, "Why wouldn't he? After all, we're us. Who wouldn't want to be here?" Great, thanks.
 
clapper said:
(You really don't know how close to home for me you're hitting with those comments), but you obviously don't understand, nor do you have the proper perspective. First of all, you pretend that one can only be a single sport fan. Good to know you don't follow ANY other teams in ANY other sport. Most of the rest of us do.

The fact that their coverage is lacking in NYC and Boston means absolutely nothing to the fans in central Connecticut. Yes, there are other sports that garner the media attention, but from a college football standpoint, Huskie football is the big dog in town. The fact that you'd put the two basketball programs at #9 & #10 shows you don't understand the dynamics up there.

As Essobee pointed out, Atlanta is the X-road for southern college football. Throw in the Braves, Hawks, Thrashers, Falcons, and yes, the Gwinnett Gladiators. Georgia Tech can't even sell out its home games without considerable help from the opposition. Even with a crappy schedule, UConn is at 94.5% capacity, most of which are season ticket holders, which isn't something we can say.

My point is, and has been, that Edsall is on track with UConn football to be where we say our program should be if he continues to stay the course he's mapped out with considerably less of the bull**** he has to put up with down here. Which is the same thing Jim Calhoun did. And the same thing Gino Auriema did. And Rich Rodriguez did at WVU. There is a precedent.

All I asked is why he would give that up to come here and the oh-so-intelligent response I get is, "Why wouldn't he? After all, we're us. Who wouldn't want to be here?" Great, thanks.
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In fairness (to you and me), I think you make great arguments Calhoun and Rodriguez. And I surely didn't respond with he shoudl come here because we're great. I do think college football in CONN just can't overcome everythign it has against it. It has to overcome all of the big pro stuff but then it's also a basketball/hockey state. GT football is exponentially the biggest thing on its own campus. That's not even true for UCONN football.

Anyway, ATL and GT offer a ton more persoanlly and professionally IMO than UCONN football. UCONN bball OTOH offers more than GT basketball.

the Hartford Whalers will be the biggest thing in town/state by far when they come back.
 
thwg said:
Anyway, ATL and GT offer a ton more persoanlly and professionally IMO than UCONN football. UCONN bball OTOH offers more than GT basketball.
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Picking up on this thought, football coaches usually don't like a situation where they can go 12-0 and still be the "second" sport on a campus where basketball is king (like UCONN). At Tech, football is clearly #1 and always has been.

Furthermore, the ACC had its pick of Big East teams wanting to come into the ACC and even had one team, VT, pulling political strings to get into the ACC.

So, the ACC > Big East and at Tech, Football > Basketball. For closers, Atlanta > Connecticut. ;)
 
Essobee said:
At Tech, football is clearly #1 and always has been.

Furthermore, the ACC had its pick of Big East teams wanting to come into the ACC and even had one team, VT, pulling political strings to get into the ACC.

So, the ACC > Big East and at Tech, Football > Basketball. For closers, Atlanta > Connecticut. ;)
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Excuse me, Helllloooooo. We play in the ACC. A BASKETBALL CONFERENCE. You can pretend that football>basketball here, but reality is that no one else in the country believes it.

We took in VT, Miami, and BC. Then, Miami imploded, VT couldn't even hold off Chan Gailey's vaunted football program, and the ACC has relegated BC to a West Coast bowl at every opportunity because our other bowl tie-ins disrespect the hell out of them, which forced their coach to Raleigh (Atlanta>Raleigh???).

For closers, Atlanta>Athens, Atlanta>Tuscaloosa, Atlanta>Baton Rouge, Atlanta>Norman, Atlanta>Gainesville,FL, Atlanta>Lincoln, Atlanta>Knoxville, Atlanta>South Bend, Atlanta>Columbus,OH, Atlanta>most other college town in the country. Can we compete when it comes to hiring a coach that doesn't want to come here?

Look around at the other ACC recent hires and show me anyone comparable to Edsall. Hell, look around at every coach in this league and show me an Edsall.
 
Excuse me, Helllloooooo yourself fellow. Read my post. I said:

Originally Posted by Essobee
At Tech, football is clearly #1 and always has been.
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Ditto for VT and Miami who joined the ACC, by the way. You think they joined it for the basketball?

So Helllloooooo, silly boy.
 
Essobee said:
56, IIRC the year Randy was defensive coordinator at Tech the D scored a touchdown in many if not most games. Do you recall the total TDs scored by the D that year?
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7 fumble recoveries for touchdowns
 
I talked to a longtime alum of GT who actually played on Tech's 1952 NC team and knows Edsall. He says he doesn't know if Edsall could fly down here.
 
Essobee said:
Excuse me, Helllloooooo yourself fellow. Read my post. I said:

Ditto for VT and Miami who joined the ACC, by the way. You think they joined it for the basketball?

So Helllloooooo, silly boy.
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Yes, but you are fighting a conference image of being a basketball conference with weak football programs...very similar to the Big East. And right now, the Big East is playing better football than the ACC. Jumping up and down and screaming, "We're a football school. We're a football school," won't mean **** to a Big East coach.
 
beej67 said:
Says who?
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The RPI

http://realtimerpi.com/football/ncaaf_conf_Men.html

And perception is even worse. With BC proving their #2 ranking was questionable by getting smacked by a mediocre F$U team and VPISU finally recovering from their beatdown by LSU, all anyone talked about for the last six weeks has been Rutgers, USF, and WVU, while UConn has snuck up on them and become the latest surprise.

Meanwhile, an 8-2 Virginia team that has already beaten UConn can't even get any respect within their own conference, let alone nationally because they lost their opener to Wyoming. And a 7-2 Clemson team, who controls their own destiny in the Atlantic Division, is just now sneaking back into the Top 25.
 
Seriously, that's the weirdest thing I've heard all week.

An excerpt from the BCS Standings:

7. West Virginia 7-1
8. Boston College 8-1
9. Arizona State 8-1
10. Georgia 7-2
11. Virginia Tech 7-2
12. Michigan 8-2
13. Connecticut 8-1

...and from the AP poll...

6. West Virginia 7-1 1,327
7. Missouri 8-1 1,260
8. Boston College 8-1 1,051
9. Arizona State 8-1 1,042
10. Georgia 7-2 1,021
11. Virginia Tech 7-2 923
12. USC 7-2 817
13. Michigan 8-2 783
14. Hawaii 8-0 776
15. Texas 8-2 735
16. Connecticut 8-1 665

20. Clemson 7-2 340
23. Virginia 8-2


Nothing in that says the Big East is playing better football to me.

The ACC has 4 teams in the AP top 25. The Big East has 2.

All your RPI stat shows is that the Big East has won 3% more games than the ACC has, with a 5th ranked strength of schedule instead of the ACC's 2nd ranked one, this year.

The ACC beat the Big East in the Sagarin Conference Rankings in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005. Not 2006, granted, but it looks stronger in 2007 by all indications right now.

Plus, UConn? UConn is about a 2 in football prestige on a scale from 1 to 10.

This is laughable:

Meanwhile, an 8-2 Virginia team that has already beaten UConn can't even get any respect within their own conference, let alone nationally because they lost their opener to Wyoming. And a 7-2 Clemson team, who controls their own destiny in the Atlantic Division, is just now sneaking back into the Top 25.
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That Virginia team with no respect is 1-0 vs the Big East this year, beating one of two teams in the running for the Big East title head to head. If Virginia's weak, the Big East is weaker. And that Clemson (or Virginia) is even in the top 25 is more than you can say for the 3rd and 4th best Big East teams.

Clapper, you post a lot of pretty good stuff around here, but UConn being a better football school than Tech is pure fantasy. And trying to support that fantasy on the basis of the Big East being a better football conference than the ACC is ridiculous and flies entirely in the face of facts. And why even bother accusing the ACC of being a basketball conference when you're trying to sell football in the biggest basketball conference in the country?

I don't know what you're smoking in this thread, dude, but pass me some.
 
beej67 said:
Clapper, you post a lot of pretty good stuff around here, but UConn being a better football school than Tech is pure fantasy. And trying to support that fantasy on the basis of the Big East being a better football conference than the ACC is ridiculous and flies entirely in the face of facts.
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First, I never said UConn was a better football school than Tech. I said that they were on the rise and Edsall has them on pace to catch, or eclipse, us on each of our ways to the vaunted next level at the rate and direction each team is moving. Edsall knows that probably better than anyone.

As far as which conference is better football-wise, perception is reality. WVU and VPISU are considered at the top of each conference. BC gets disrespected by their own conference. F$U, Miami, GT, Clempsin, UVA, Wake, and Maryland are treading water at best. USF, Rutgers, UConn, Cinncinnati and Louisvile (not so much this year since Petrino left) are considered to be on the rise.

Even if, as you contend, the Big East is behind the ACC, it is only slightly. Slight enough that moving from a UConn to a Georgia Tech would be perceived as nothing better than a lateral move anywhere outside the Carolinas and Georgia.

Look, I'd like to see Edsall here as much as anyone. All I asked initially is why he would even consider it and I haven't gotten an answer that seems compelling enough to convince him to make the move when compared to his current situation.
 
Man, I can't even engage you on this Clapper, I think you're just nuts. You're usually fairly un-nuts, and I appreciate your posts in general, but if you don't think UConn is one of the bottom 15% of BCS jobs, you're nuts. Wake > UConn. The only place worse to coach than UConn in the ACC is Duke. Hell, UConn is nearly the bottom of the Big East barrel, a barrel that's nearly bottomless and would be bottomless if they had any more than 8 teams.
 
beej67 said:
Man, I can't even engage you on this Clapper, I think you're just nuts. You're usually fairly un-nuts, and I appreciate your posts in general, but if you don't think UConn is one of the bottom 15% of BCS jobs, you're nuts. Wake > UConn. The only place worse to coach than UConn in the ACC is Duke. Hell, UConn is nearly the bottom of the Big East barrel, a barrel that's nearly bottomless and would be bottomless if they had any more than 8 teams.
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I recognize and appreciate what you're saying (except fot the nuts part and the UConn/Duke comparison). But you're actually making my point. I agree that UConn is nearer the bottom, but they've made a concerted effort not to remain there, as has the entire Big Least since reorganizing, and Edsall is the architect of that rise. For them to continue moving forward, they HAVE to lock up their coach. They HAVE to make him want to stay. They can't afford to fall back and start over. And they have the resources to keep him.

UConn football is more like GT shortly after Homer took over than Duke, IMO. And if that is true, it took an Alabama to pry away our coach. We are not Alabama to Edsall's UConn. If he's going to make any sort of a semi-lateral move, it will be to the 'Cuse before it will be here.
 
Anyone endorsed by Mr. Stimson and Mr. Davis gets my vote.
 
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