Refs did the right thing

This proves once again the fix is in for the "blue bloods" of the ACC - namely Duke, Clemson and UNC. There is no way you make that roughing call unless they wanted to lean the game. I watched football all day and saw QB's get hit later than when the Dookie was throwing and nothing was called, that was all in non-ACC games of course.
 
Supersize that order mutt said:
I didn't record the game, so I can't go back and watch it now, unless they show a replay of it, but one of my friends in the stadium said that on that roughing BS call, the ref didn't throw the flag until the Duke QB whined about it, and that a good 20 seconds had elapsed before he actually threw it. Can anyone either confirm or deny that?
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20 seconds is an eternity. Go count off 20 seconds and see if that makes any sense. It was a few seconds late.

JRjr
 
Let's not sugar coat this. The refs were terrible. They basically put Duke back in the game. 3 bad calls.....3.... Led to Duke tying. Let's not ignore the obvious holding they got away with, most of the game. It's great we won. It's hard to win games, where refs are one sided. Key should file a complaint. He should demand that these clowns are never allowed to ref another GT game. It's bad when you question how much a school is paying a ref. However, I guarantee that there are a number of refs, on the take.
 
I think most have covered it but the OPI was 100% the right call. The pass was not behind the line so you can’t make contact and the WR was full on blocking before the pass.

Also, the DPI might have been 100% wrong because I’m not sure we touched the WR but Ieven if there was some contact, I’m positive I saw worse PI 4-5 other times by both teams not called. You can’t make close calls like that late in the game.
 
midatlantech said:
As to the elevator example, that is why the refs stink. Who wants that job.

key’s end of game management stinks.

The refs stunk but we tried to give the game away. And when teams bring six on every down we have to come up with a simple te or rb pass to counter. Otherwise go under center and bulldoze ahead. Losing yards is dumb.
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And change the snap count so the LB isn’t coincidentally bull rushing across as the ball is being snapped
 
The Wasp said:
This proves once again the fix is in for the "blue bloods" of the ACC - namely Duke, Clemson and UNC. There is no way you make that roughing call unless they wanted to lean the game. I watched football all day and saw QB's get hit later than when the Dookie was throwing and nothing was called, that was all in non-ACC games of course.
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The call was not a late hit but rather that he landed on the QB with his full weight. Seen that called several times in the NFL but this is the first time I've seen it in college I think (though I watch more NFL than college.)
 
Watching replay, at 6:03 in 4th, two Duke players, 43 and 89, get away with what look like obvious blocks to the back, within a yard or two of the punt returner. Looked to be around GT 45 yd line. Should have been Duke ball around their own 40. Instead refs let the TD stand. If they’re going to let them play, then let them play when we’re defending. I’m sure Keys staff is taking a good look at that play from several angles. Interested to see their read on it.

Shanahan outkicked the coverage by more than 30 yards. Maybe understandably eager to get the kick away after blocks in earlier games. Should work on getting more hang time. He gets good distance, but returner is at full stride before coverage can get there.
 
gojkts said:
Watching replay, at 6:03 in 4th, two Duke players, 43 and 89, get away with what look like obvious blocks to the back, within a yard or two of the punt returner. Looked to be around GT 45 yd line. Should have been Duke ball around their own 40. Instead refs let the TD stand. If they’re going to let them play, then let them play when we’re defending. I’m sure Keys staff is taking a good look at that play from several angles. Interested to see their read on it.

Shanahan outkicked the coverage by more than 30 yards. Maybe understandably eager to get the kick away after blocks in earlier games. Should work on getting more hang time. He gets good distance, but returner is at full stride before coverage can get there.
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Whatever happened to the coffin corner? Does it do us any good to line drive a kick directly to the KR? Hell, at that point of the game, I'd rather have a 35 yard kick net out of bounds than have a speedy WR catch a line drive that has no coverage so he can get a running start.
 
andrew said:
The call was not a late hit but rather that he landed on the QB with his full weight. Seen that called several times in the NFL but this is the first time I've seen it in college I think (though I watch more NFL than college.)
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That was my question earlier. I knew of the NFL rule for it but couldn’t remember whether college had it, too.

Of all the “protect the QBs at all costs” rules, this one has to be the dumbest. Can you imagine that rule for a RB or WR or TE?

Think about what a DL or LB is thinking about in that split second.

Don’t go to the head or neck area.
Don’t lead with your crown.
Don’t go too low.
Don’t put some unquantifiable % of your body weight on him.
Don’t take more than 2 steps to hit him if the ball is out.

Also, attack outside shoulder to prevent losing outside leverage.
Hammer down with outside arm to go for the strip.
Break down and come under control in case he steps up in the pocket.
Oh ya, be sure to wrap up.
 
ElCidBUZZingFAN said:
That was my question earlier. I knew of the NFL rule for it but couldn’t remember whether college had it, too.

Of all the “protect the QBs at all costs” rules, this one has to be the dumbest. Can you imagine that rule for a RB or WR or TE?

Think about what a DL or LB is thinking about in that split second.

Don’t go to the head or neck area.
Don’t lead with your crown.
Don’t go too low.
Don’t put some unquantifiable % of your body weight on him.
Don’t take more than 2 steps to hit him if the ball is out.

Also, attack outside shoulder to prevent losing outside leverage.
Hammer down with outside arm to go for the strip.
Break down and come under control in case he steps up in the pocket.
Oh ya, be sure to wrap up.
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Brady got a hands to the head penalty called one game I was watching several years ago, I think he was still in NE, when a DL being blocked barely brushed his hand against Brady's helmet.
 
andrew said:
The call was not a late hit but rather that he landed on the QB with his full weight. Seen that called several times in the NFL but this is the first time I've seen it in college I think (though I watch more NFL than college.)
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Did the ref actually say that? It was speculation by the broadcast crew. And if you look at the replay he didn't come down right on top of the QB. It was a clean, old-fashioned hit.
 
ee8384 said:
Did the ref actually say that? It was speculation by the broadcast crew. And if you look at the replay he didn't come down right on top of the QB. It was a clean, old-fashioned hit.
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I haven’t watched a replay but my mind’s eye does remember that wrap and drive that the NFL doesn’t want. It wasn’t vicious, but I seem to recall him sorta scooping his legs a bit.

(I could be dead wrong, FWIW.)

It was basically Golden in the OB on MSU’s RB on that option pitch fumble but because it was a QB, that’s a penalty. It’s so dumb.
 
It was a clean hit, hit him as he was releasing the ball, did not lead with the crown, did not hit above the shoulders, case closed. The argument about coming down with the weight on him is more for when someone has a qb wrapped up, continues by landing on him WWE style. The ref blew it, but aren't we used to that at Tech? The worst call I've ever seen was the pass interference against Georgia giving Bobo the clown and asshole Hines Ward a new set of downs. That clean breakup was game, set match, Tech wins. What is with us that we seem to be on the öööö end of the stick so often?
 
ee8384 said:
Did the ref actually say that? It was speculation by the broadcast crew. And if you look at the replay he didn't come down right on top of the QB. It was a clean, old-fashioned hit.
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I have watched the replay, he came down right on top of the QB, not to either side. It looked exactly like what they used to call in the NFL pretty often (I think players have mostly adapted at this point, though it's not always avoidable which is one of the reasons it's a dumb rule.)

Anyway, the ref didn't specify either way but I think it's extremely likely that was the call as opposed to late hit, because the hit was almost simultaneous with the ball being released. "Not even close to a late hit" would be an understatement.
 
The Wasp said:
It was a clean hit, hit him as he was releasing the ball, did not lead with the crown, did not hit above the shoulders, case closed. The argument about coming down with the weight on him is more for when someone has a qb wrapped up, continues by landing on him WWE style. The ref blew it, but aren't we used to that at Tech? The worst call I've ever seen was the pass interference against Georgia giving Bobo the clown and asshole Hines Ward a new set of downs. That clean breakup was game, set match, Tech wins. What is with us that we seem to be on the öööö end of the stick so often?
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I hate to remind you of this, but Fat Stafford got a BS PI with us up 20-0 right before half which helped them score a TD. It was, truthfully, offensive PI and the announcers said as much.

I was in the LE during the Bobo play. I had a coworker gagger throw a yellow flag at me in a meeting Monday after it and yell "THERES THE FLAG". No, I did not assault him, but I really, really, really wanted to.
 
NO WAY that should have been called roughing. Our man hit the Duke QB right when the ball was being released, maybe a split second after. His momentum alone prevented him from stopping without hitting him. Although it didn't take 20 seconds for the ref to throw the flag, as one of my friends at the game claimed, it was still a delayed call. It was not until after the Duke QB was shown rolling on the turf feigning an injury that the announcers said a flag had been thrown. Although the replay doesn't show the flag being thrown, nor the actual location of the flag, it certainly wasn't anywhere near the downed QB, I still say it was an ATROCIOUS call.

Here is a link to the complete game replay if anyone is interested.....https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/aea8ec40-1cfe-4909-b18b-79052671e169
 
ee8384 said:
And if you look at the replay he didn't come down right on top of the QB.
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Supersize that order mutt said:
NO WAY that should have been called roughing. Our man hit the Duke QB right when the ball was being released, maybe a split second after. His momentum alone prevented him from stopping without hitting him. Although it didn't take 20 seconds for the ref to throw the flag, as one of my friends at the game claimed, it was still a delayed call. It was not until after the Duke QB was shown rolling on the turf feigning an injury that the announcers said a flag had been thrown. Although the replay doesn't show the flag being thrown, nor the actual location of the flag, it certainly wasn't anywhere near the downed QB, I still say it was an ATROCIOUS call.

Here is a link to the complete game replay if anyone is interested.....https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/aea8ec40-1cfe-4909-b18b-79052671e169
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I was also wondering if this may have been thrown after he was rolling around, which would be BS. It is unfortunate that the replays don't show the flag.

However, I would not take the announcers' timing as proof of anything, because they were terrible the entire game, as was the production in general -- didn't even get the yellow first down line working until halfway through the third.
 
andrew said:
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I was also wondering if this may have been thrown after he was rolling around, which would be BS. It is unfortunate that the replays don't show the flag.

However, I would not take the announcers' timing as proof of anything, because they were terrible the entire game, as was the production in general -- didn't even get the yellow first down line working until halfway through the third.
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They did show the ref putting the flag back in his pocket (or wherever he put it), but I couldn't tell where the ref was relative to the location of the play.
 
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