Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O'Brien & Gailey

[GT98]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

beeware,

culb highlighted the thoughts as to why Stanford was disinterested to play a GT team that did not live up to the expectations. Stanford was #9 in the country and deserved a much better bowl than the Seattle Bowl. BTW, GT has been disinterested in bowl games before--'00 Gator Bowl vs. Miami springs to mind.

If anything, the credit should be given to the players for their performance. Coach Mac stated that he merely kept the team loose (he did do a good job of changing up the practice schedule a bit to let the players be a bit looser) and let his assistants handle the game chores. Our team's performance included a good goal line stand and great offensive playcalling by O'brien. You did want to credit the players, right?

Even if Coach Mac was the one to orchestrate the ENTIRE gameplan (which he did not), then why would you want to turn over the reins of a program to him on the basis of one game? If you do not like Gailey personally, then that is fine. But to look at his qualifications as a coach versus those of Coach Mac and to not conclude that he is more qualified is silly. I don't know whether or not Gailey will be able to maintain or build upon the foundation that O'leary laid, but he is the most qualified of the candidates that were interviewed for the job.

 

[pjjacket]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

Ladies and Gentlemen:

Everyone is entitled to their opinion re CG, DB, Mac et al but personal attacks, enough already.

I don't know what CG will do as a head coach @ GT as well as I don't know what Mac could have done either. I won't be able to find out re Mac, but CG will be front and center as of 8/31.

Will CG be in the mold of Bud Carson or in the mold of Bobby Ross? Beeware might be right on with his assessment and if such is the case I will tip my hat to him. But, the bottom line is no one knows. Yes, there are some bumps in CG's resume but isn't that true for everybody.

We all bleed gold and white so let's unite for the team needs our support. I try not to wear gold colored glasses but I must admit this is difficult at times when the Jackets are involved.

I don't have any opinion on DB other than I wish he would state where is the $1.5 mil from GoL

BTW, here is a different perspective on the salute given in previous posts. (No offense to anyone but my small attempt to add some humor to this fantastic discussion)

 

[GT98]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

pjjacket,

Braine and GT are pursuing the $1.5 mil. from O'leary. It is being handled as to not play out in a public forum. The parties were close to an agreement a few months ago, but everything has not happened yet. GT is will resolve the issue to the satisfaction of those that contribute to the AA.

 

[beeware]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

I think it is totally ridiculous to build up Gailey when he hasn't coached a Division 1 college game in his life and at the same time totally disrespect not only Coach Mac but all his assistants and all the players by saying we didn't beat Stanford fair and square. Again I say that is hogwash and shameful.
At least Coach Mac has one win under his belt in Divison 1....that is a 'heck' of a lot more than Gailey has.

Coach Mac was well thought of enough to be asst head coach at three different schools and to be named interim head coach immediately upon O'leary's departure. To say that he is unqualifed to be a head coach is 100% bullsh*t.
The blackeye that Braine has given TECH will not go away anytime soon. In fact it won't even fully reveal itself until O'leary's talent is gone. That is the shame of it....a school that only recently recovered from the Bill Lewis era to so quickly forget.

 

[pjjacket]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

GT98:

Thanks for your info re GoL. I concur that this matter should be done out of the public's eye for the benefit of all parties.

I just hope the matter is resolved soon because of my personal impatience. I am ready to fully move on past GoL.

 

[law_bee]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

Predicting the future is a tricky thing. With all respect to Beeware's views I think most everyone felt that last year should have been O'leary's year. He had a veteran QB coming back with what should have been a solid D.

I am happy there has been a change. That is said with the knowledge that if we lose 5 games this year I will be deeply concerned. I am fortunate to have moved to Atlanta in the last 3 years and therefore have never had to endure a losing GT football team as a neighbor. I certainly hope that does not change under CG.

If you look at CG on paper he should be able to get the job done. He has been an OC and DC at the pro level and this is more impressive than anything O'leary has accomplished in the pros. Bill O'brien is still there and this appears to be the case after he had offers to leave. It also appears that we have gotten some good recruiters in there but that will remain to be seen.

With regard to people being treated fairly I think that is difficult to judge in today's world. With Mac pulling down a 6 figure salary that was guaranteed I find it hard to believe that GT was unfair to him. The reality is that Mac's resume was lacking and if he wants a top position than he should remedy that problem.

The days when coaches were living hand to mouth are long gone and it is a business with respect to their employment.

The only answer to this question is GT winning. If GT loses then that will just raise more questions.

 

[bugboy]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

PJ,

I hope we get the full 1.5 million. That's all I care about WRT that situation.

 

[beeware]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

AHSO,
you really are a nice one....you come in here and start a fire and then leave!!!!!! But since you live close to God's country we will let you slide!!!

 

[pjjacket]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

Beeware,

Sorry for my omission re Mac's win in Seattle. I truly hope that CG is not Bill L***s and if such is the case I will be as angry as anyone and will lead a march to the Edge Center. I wish I knew but does anyone.

On paper CG has the better resume in all phases of coaching when compared to Mac, BL, Pepper, Curry, Fulcher, Carson and even as Law-bee stated GoL.

Hope is eternal.

Beeware,

You are right about AHSO, He is a great fireman and fisherman . He can't use the excuse of digging today with all the wet weather for his lack of timely posting.

 

[beeware]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

Note to self:

To do list to fall in line with the general thinking on here....

1. Worship CG's resume
2. see #1
3. see #1
4. see #1
5. see #1
6. see #1
7. see #1
8. see #1
9. see #1

 

[pjjacket]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

BW,

Number 10 on to do list:

Worship DB's resume.

 

[beeware]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

Originally posted by pjjacket:
BW,

Number 10 on to do list:

Worship DB's resume.

<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">pj,

Although you make a good (but rather sad) point, on second thought, AHSO does #1 through your #10 enough for all us!!!!

 

[JacketFanPCB]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

My meager two cents:

I feel really good about the future of GT football. I did not attend GT since I have nothing that resembles the mind of an engineer, I'm a radio personality for gosh sake. I am however a life-long fan of over 30 years. Growing up in Atlanta Al Ciraldo and the Jackets were the BEST game in town if not always the winningest, the most exciting!

I feel like we need to support Chan Gailey and the Jackets. We have to support him until he gives us valid reason NOT to. He's our head coach and he's the man hired to lead our team. I feel it's entirely unfair to bash the man (eminently qualified and morally upright) before he's had the chance to coach one game at the flats. Give him AT LEAST this season before you pass judgement, then let the chips fall where they may. For now, I feel VERY GOOD about the future of GT football and I CAN'T say that about last year or any of the past several.

Let's SUPPORT CG AND our Jackets!

 

[beeware]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

Originally posted by JacketFanPCB:
My meager two cents:

I feel really good about the future of GT football. I did not attend GT since I have nothing that resembles the mind of an engineer, I'm a radio personality for gosh sake. I am however a life-long fan of over 30 years. Growing up in Atlanta Al Ciraldo and the Jackets were the BEST game in town if not always the winningest, the most exciting!

I feel like we need to support Chan Gailey and the Jackets. We have to support him until he gives us valid reason NOT to. He's our head coach and he's the man hired to lead our team. I feel it's entirely unfair to bash the man (eminently qualified and morally upright) before he's had the chance to coach one game at the flats. Give him AT LEAST this season before you pass judgement, then let the chips fall where they may. For now, I feel VERY GOOD about the future of GT football and I CAN'T say that about last year or any of the past several.

Let's SUPPORT CG AND our Jackets!

<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">JFPCB,
I am not bashing CG per se. What I did not approve of was the way that Dave Braine handled the whole situation and the way he treated Coach Mac and our loyal assistant coaches. ATLBEE can get into this in a lot more detail if he chooses but it is just shameful the way that our previous coaches were treated. There was no need whatsoever to tear down everything that O'leary had built up just so that Braine could get his own yes man in there.
I certainly hope that CG is successful at TECH but I think it is a very risky hire indeed.
GO JACKETS.

 

[ahsoisee]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

Pjjacket, it has not rained at my home in Ellijay today. I have been laying down old newspapers in the shrubbery and flower garden and placing wood chips on top of that. It was an all day job. I come in occasionally to rest and see how the fire is burning on Stingtalk.

BeeWare, I am still here reading and enjoying every minute of the argument. Some one stated that things were slow on Stingtalk and we needed something to keep us going until the Fall. At the last count, this thread had 32 responses. I may challenge BullDog to a duel.

I will be going down to see all the kids and grandkids in Jackson and Griffin, Georgia for the rest of the week, so I will not be on the board as much down there. My wife and I will be attending the "Cotton Picking Festival" (Arts & Crafts) in Gay, Georgia on Saturday.

I will not be back up here in God's Country until Sunday.

 

[pjjacket]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

Ahso,

I use the AUC for the same purpose, ground cover. Enjoy your sojurn this week. I am jealous because when I work with my supervisor I don't receive computer breaks.

Thanks for your posts and I suspect even Beeware enjoys them too. Come back, y'all

 

[beeware]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

pj,
Once again you are correct. Ahso and I are nearly neighbors up here in God's country and we both enjoy poking a little fun at each other and stirring the pot a little. Unfortunately, some bring the Hive mentality over here and start getting personal if you don't agree with them. That is a shame because the fun part of this board is that it is not the Hive. That you can have a different opinion and a good spirited debate with getting personal. Ahso and I have proven that over and over. Hopefully some of the others will learn that too.
I enjoy your posts very much.

 

[bellyseries]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

OK, beeware, now you're NOT bashing CG, just Braine? I'll ask what someone else asked: What is your reason? What has Braine done to upset you so? I don't know of anyone else who thinks that his hiring of CG gives Tech a "black eye". And, as ah said, how could a line coach have been promoted permanently over two co-ordinators? I would guess that Braine made Mac interim coach on the ground that promoting either Roof or OBrien would have created an immediately awkward situation, which would have become even more awkward if one of them had done what Mac did. What Mac did-publicly, and thus to the detriment of GT- was ignore Braine's statement that he would not hire from present staff and demand an interview. If Mac really thought he had a shot at the job on the basis of one meaningless bowl game, he should have gone to Braine privately and asked to be considered. For him not to do so pretty much guaranteed he wouldn't get the job. Would you hire him after he publically embarrassed you?

 

[Ramblin Buzz]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

Wow, now "this" is what I call a thread!! Woo-hoo!!

And to think that GT98 had to come in here and get everybody riled up

Gotta admit that I am confused by many of Beeware's points.

First "loyalty" by the staff is mentioned. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't O'Brien, Roof and Kelly leaving for Notre Dame the day after O'Leary had the press conference? Mac was not going, but was there really a place for him? Not being a co-ordinator hurt him. It also hurt him in the head coaching search. Plus, once a new guy was hired, there was no place for him either. One step further: trying to link "college coaches" and "loyalty" is crazy. Can those two be linked in the past 15 years? The schools are not loyal, nor are the coaches. Coaches are vagabonds. Period. Loyalty is not reality in today's coaching environment. The days of Shug Jordan, Frank Howard, Bobby Dodd, Johnny Vaught, etc, are long gone. How many really think that Gailey would stay if the Steelers come offering $3 million a year after the 2003 season????

I felt Braine handled the coaching hire fairly well, all things considered. Some things could have been better, but it was MUCH better than the Mason-Donn_n hiring at Uga or the Harrick signs/leaves/signs hiring as well.

In my opinion, and my many years of following football and Tech athletics, Coach MacWhorter did a great job, was a great asset to the program, really prepared the team for the Bowl, but was NOT qualified for the head coaching job. Not saying Gailey will be "the" man, but those are two seperate issues: Mac being qualified and Gailey going to be successful. They are not inversely related.

Any hoo, just my thoughts.

Carry on.

 

[beeware]

Re: Rehash of Braine, Mac, Roof, O\'Brien & Gailey

Originally posted by Ramblin Buzz:
I felt Braine handled the coaching hire fairly well, all things considered.

<font size="2" face="Arial, Verdana, Sans-Serif">Yeah, kind of like saying that "Watergate was just a 3rd rate burglary."