Role of a head coach…just my opinion

Akinji07 said:
1) You’re not gonna reinvent football. Get real.
2) How many successful G5 coaches turned into successful P5 coaches? The number is a lot lower than you think. It doesn’t translate.
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1) Our only great teams over the past 30 years had an OC who did things very differently than his opposition. I think I this is an important data point.

2) This is a valid question and very much worth discussing, instead of the “option man bad” narrative. It is certainly a risk, but so is hiring a guy with no real HC experience. Chadwell has built 3 different programs up from bad situations, so in that sense he is very qualified for this job.
 
johncu said:
1) Our only great teams over the past 30 years had an OC who did things very differently than his opposition. I think I this is an important data point.

2) This is a valid question and very much worth discussing, instead of the “option man bad” narrative. It is certainly a risk, but so is hiring a guy with no real HC experience. Chadwell has built 3 different programs up from bad situations, so in that sense he is very qualified for this job.
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Option man bad is more of a concern about negative recruiting. I loved CPJ and I enjoyed the four great seasons he gave us. But the same negative recruiting he had to go against would be there for Chadwell too. Can his scheme overcome the negative recruiting and drop in talent? We don’t know.
 
Akinji07 said:
Coastal has a bad defense because of the same reason CPJ always had a bad defense. The delta between points for and points against per game is 4.7 in 10 games where they won 9 games. They’re out scoring their opponents in shootouts.
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So all we need to do is get a good DC, which we already have. If we can keep Thacker at DC/AHC, and Jamey as HC, we would be set. Jamey has improved the defense at Coastal, and Thacker already has a great defense. So we would have an elite offense, and an elite defense. And that’s not Geoff speaking.
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
So all we need to do is get a good DC, which we already have. If we can keep Thacker at DC/AHC, and Jamey as HC, we would be set. Jamey has improved the defense at Coastal, and Thacker already has a great defense. So we would have an elite offense, and an elite defense. And that’s not Geoff speaking.
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Negative recruiting doesn’t just impact offense. It impacts defense too. They tell players, do you want to practice against the option for the next 4-5 years.
 
Akinji07 said:
Negative recruiting doesn’t just impact offense. It impacts defense too. They tell players, do you want to practice against the option for the next 4-5 years.
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I mean yeah, but why are we saying he IS going to recruit negatively? He coaches at Coastal, where the AD isn’t giving him a ton of resources to recruit. Players will see the film of a spread look with a little bit more option than the normal spread team. West Virginia did it. They had some REALLY good teams back when they ran spread option.
 
Akinji07 said:
Option man bad is more of a concern about negative recruiting. I loved CPJ and I enjoyed the four great seasons he gave us. But the same negative recruiting he had to go against would be there for Chadwell too. Can his scheme overcome the negative recruiting and drop in talent? We don’t know.
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Recruiting improved markedly since Chadwell has been at Coastal. They were recruiting at the bottom of the Sun Belt when he took over, and he has them near the top now. A lot of the recruiting hurdles we faced under CPJ will not be an issue anymore (cut blocking, lack of passing, lack of AD support, etc). You’re correct that we don’t know how Chadwell will recruit at GT, so I don’t think it’s fair to hold it against him.
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
I mean yeah, but why are we saying he IS going to recruit negatively? He coaches at Coastal, where the AD isn’t giving him a ton of resources to recruit. Players will see the film of a spread look with a little bit more option than the normal spread team. West Virginia did it. They had some REALLY good teams back when they ran spread option.
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This. Read option and fly sweep are staples now in many offenses, but they were unusual and considered a little gimmicky back then. I was there in 2012 when WVU dropped 70 on Clemson running these plays, and Clemson promptly fired the DC and started running those plays the very next year.
 
johncu said:
Recruiting improved markedly since Chadwell has been at Coastal. They were recruiting at the bottom of the Sun Belt when he took over, and he has them near the top now. A lot of the recruiting hurdles we faced under CPJ will not be an issue anymore (cut blocking, lack of passing, lack of AD support, etc). You’re correct that we don’t know how Chadwell will recruit at GT, so I don’t think it’s fair to hold it against him.
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Recruiting better in Sun Belt <> recruiting in ACC
 
CarsonNewmanJacket said:
I mean yeah, but why are we saying he IS going to recruit negatively? He coaches at Coastal, where the AD isn’t giving him a ton of resources to recruit. Players will see the film of a spread look with a little bit more option than the normal spread team. West Virginia did it. They had some REALLY good teams back when they ran spread option.
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No he’s not the one doing the negative recruiting. Negative recruiting will be done against him.
 
Akinji07 said:
Negative recruiting doesn’t just impact offense. It impacts defense too. They tell players, do you want to practice against the option for the next 4-5 years.
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I think this will be a lot less of an issue with Chadwell. While I agree that "option bad" will still be used, it was so effective against CPJ for two main reasons:

1) All the cut blocking
2) The 90% run to pass ratio

In the end, that's what recruits cared about, not that the offense relied on a lot of optionality -- which, as many have pointed out, is a staple of almost every offense to some extent these days. With neither of those in play, it will be much easier to counter "option bad" recruiting.
 
Akinji07 said:
1) You’re not gonna reinvent football. Get real.
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Incorporating innovative blocking schemes <> reinventing football, come on.

2) How many successful G5 coaches turned into successful P5 coaches? The number is a lot lower than you think. It doesn’t translate.
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The number is low for hires from any level turning into a successful P5 coach, including coaches who have been successful at other P5 schools. The odds of hiring a Saban, or even a Dantonio, are tiny no matter where you hire from.
 
johncu said:
This. Read option and fly sweep are staples now in many offenses, but they were unusual and considered a little gimmicky back then. I was there in 2012 when WVU dropped 70 on Clemson running these plays, and Clemson promptly fired the DC and started running those plays the very next year.
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It's so weird to me that people arent recognizing that Paul Johnson's tenure here made it easier for the next guy with the sense to utilize that style of offense. Every year from 2008 on, even in our down years, we were running all over P5 defenses as a matter of course. And every year, you saw more option creeping into other offenses. CPJ's time here helped shape what cfb looks like on the field today, I don't think anyone now looks at Chadwell the funny way people looked at Johnson then.
 
I'm more than a little concerned about how good the defense will be against the more main street offenses when the "one on ones" practices are against an offense such as Chadwell's. We know how poor Johnson's defenses were with quite a number of different defensive coordinators. Sure, some of this was probably due to recruiting, but it's amazing how consistently poor the defenses were with an offense that was able to eat up the clock and limit the number of series's that the opposing offense got to run. I realize that the scout team is attempting to run the opposing team's offense, but it's never seemed to work very well when the first team is running an offense that is drastically different than what they will see on Saturday.
 
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