(Short) Open letter to Beej67

This dialogue about a fractured fan base chaps my ass. If our football program is so freakin sensitive that they cannot endure criticism from a segment of the fanbase, whatever size, then they should close down the program and take up something that would not hurt their feelings like knitting or bridge.

Message boards are an open forum for all to express their opinions and opinions are like assholes, everybody has got one and some are cleaner than others.

Personally I enjoy having some idiot come on here and make a complete ass of themself and then see some other posters take them apart and leave them for dead on the roadside. That is a big part of the entertainment value of participating on these forums.

Life is about conflict, that's why we still have wars and football. I love the spell of napalm in the morning.

Go Jackets!
 
I agree!

Jerry the Jacket said:
This dialogue about a fractured fan base chaps my ass. If our football program is so freakin sensitive that they cannot endure criticism from a segment of the fanbase, whatever size, then they should close down the program and take up something that would not hurt their feelings like knitting or bridge.

Message boards are an open forum for all to express their opinions and opinions are like assholes, everybody has got one and some are cleaner than others.

Personally I enjoy having some idiot come on here and make a complete ass of themself and then see some other posters take them apart and leave them for dead on the roadside. That is a big part of the entertainment value of participating on these forums.

Life is about conflict, that's why we still have wars and football. I love the spell of napalm in the morning.

Go Jackets!
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Beej67
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Please explain to me why people are so mad about Beej's threads right now, to the point where they are making completely retarded and unhelpful posts that are making themselves look like assholes. His point wasn't that Paul Johnson is simply Chan Gailey wearing a little angry looking man suit. His point was that, one year ago, after a game like the one on Saturday, that the entire fan base would be crying for Chan Gailey's scalp and decrying this game as another example of Chanesque and the CGE. Now, any mention of Chan or Reggie Ball (I'm convinced that many of you spit after saying that name) immediately results in the guttural knee-jerk reaction. I personally think comparisons to Reggie and Josh Nesbitt are accurate, if you limit the discussion to Reggie's first year. He was the ACC Rookie of the Year. But some people here seem to think he's a stain upon humanity. Let it die. For what it's worth, starting threads about other people starting threads is dumb.
 
Allen Koholic said:
Please explain to me why people are so mad about Beej's threads right now, to the point where they are making completely retarded and unhelpful posts that are making themselves look like assholes. His point wasn't that Paul Johnson is simply Chan Gailey wearing a little angry looking man suit. His point was that, one year ago, after a game like the one on Saturday, that the entire fan base would be crying for Chan Gailey's scalp and decrying this game as another example of Chanesque and the CGE. Now, any mention of Chan or Reggie Ball (I'm convinced that many of you spit after saying that name) immediately results in the guttural knee-jerk reaction. I personally think comparisons to Reggie and Josh Nesbitt are accurate, if you limit the discussion to Reggie's first year. He was the ACC Rookie of the Year. But some people here seem to think he's a stain upon humanity. Let it die. For what it's worth, starting threads about other people starting threads is dumb.
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i even somewhat agree with beej that Chan was getting the shaft, but why bring it up. IT IS OVER. move on

the game against UVA --- OVER TOO! move on

we play FSU this saturday, that should be enough to bring focus to the FUTURE not the past. lets move on, move ahead, move up

if we beat FSU then we will be HAPPY, as we have never done it since they joined the ACC

GET MOVING!
 
I don't think he actually believes the things he says (types), I just think he's trying to be witty and funny...which is actually more annoying to me than if he was being serious.
 
Ish said:
I don't think he actually believes the things he says (types), I just think he's trying to be witty and funny...which is actually more annoying to me than if he was being serious.
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agree, he is just annoying and probably doesn't believe half the stuff hes spittin out. He post almost as much as Kyle on here and won't even respond to this, you know hes reading it. :laugher:
 
In the interest of repetitiveness..

GEETEELEE said:
Huh? You're doing exactly what Beej does so often to me - you're putting words in his mouth that are neither what he said, nor what he meant.

I've read nothing he posted that wasn't true; he draws accurate parallels between PJ and the former coach and just as accurately points out the discrepancy between the treatment the two coaches got from the fans.

A significant, very vocal minority campaigned from the time Gailey was hired to get him fired with no more justification than what we now have with PJ. Beej says you should be consistant, but I disagree. The character assisination and nitpicking criticisms that went on ad nauseam against Gailey should never happen against any coach barring a Lewisian collaspe.

I'm glad for the inconsistancy and I sincerely hope we hear NO calls for his firing for years to come. The criticisms I've heard to date, are generally reasonable, even if mostly wrong, and are typical message board vents.
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Allen Koholic said:
Please explain to me why people are so mad about Beej's threads right now, to the point where they are making completely retarded and unhelpful posts that are making themselves look like assholes. His point wasn't that Paul Johnson is simply Chan Gailey wearing a little angry looking man suit. His point was that, one year ago, after a game like the one on Saturday, that the entire fan base would be crying for Chan Gailey's scalp and decrying this game as another example of Chanesque and the CGE. Now, any mention of Chan or Reggie Ball (I'm convinced that many of you spit after saying that name) immediately results in the guttural knee-jerk reaction. I personally think comparisons to Reggie and Josh Nesbitt are accurate, if you limit the discussion to Reggie's first year. He was the ACC Rookie of the Year. But some people here seem to think he's a stain upon humanity. Let it die. For what it's worth, starting threads about other people starting threads is dumb.
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beej67 said:
ncjacket - no, I didn't coin the term "Chanesque," but as soon as I saw it I surely saw this day coming. Because as it was defined, all losses are in some way Chanesque. We as a fanbase just got to the point where we associated losing in any manner with Chan Gailey.

(quote about how CPJ could never have an offensive abortion like the 2006 ACCCG clipped)

Garner Webb?

It happens to everyone. It will happen to Paul Johnson, sooner or later. Personally, I'd like to be able to point back to today and say:

This was the day I realized as a fan that everyone gets beaten on occasion by a team with inferior athletes. Everyone has games where they come out flat, and lose. Everyone has games, sooner or later, where unforced errors or major flaws in strategy invoke a loss. Everyone has let-downs after victories on occasion.

These are not Chan Specific. These are The Way Of Football, and if you define "Chanesque" as Stingtalk did, then all coaches have Chanesque moments. Even Paul Johnson.

(quote about why we don't just completely ignore any parallel to last season clipped)

No, I just don't want what happened to Chan to happen to Paul. We will have games, and seasons, reminiscent of Gailey under any coach. Folks need to realize that.
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The reason you all think I'm hating on PJ and Nesbitt is I compared them to people you irrationally hate.

I like PJ and Nesbitt, but unlike you people, I can like them while acknowledging that they sometimes fail in ways very reminiscent of the previous regime.


Anyone using Dodd's photos to track me down on gameday will probably be disappointed. Clearly none of them is wearing the appropriate shade of saffron.
 
beej67 said:
The reason you all think I'm hating on PJ and Nesbitt is I compared them to people you irrationally hate.

I like PJ and Nesbitt, but unlike you people, I can like them while acknowledging that they sometimes fail in ways very reminiscent of the previous regime.
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I don't take it that you're hating on either CPJ ar JN --I think I know you (well, in this forum since I've never met you) better than that.

beej67 said:
The simple fact is that there are a whole bunch of Stingtalkers who are currently defending PJ who would be roasting Gailey right now. Or roasting Reggie who are currently defending Nesbitt. That's Bullsh*t. Be consistent.
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I have (rightfully so) roasted Gailey and I have (rightfully so) roasted Ball for their failures as a HC and QB. I drew these conclusions over a period of time --watching the HC's team fail year in and year out in the same manner, while watching the QB fail in the same ways both as a player and a leader.

I cannot understand a comparison of Johnson and Gailey at all at this juncture. He's coached eight games. I don't get the Nesbitt/Ball comparison either; Nesbitt's fumble on the five probably cost us the UVA game --Ball's blunders cost us a few games in his career.

I think I'm having difficulty with the one game/entire career comparisons ..that's all.
 
I don't want you to roast Johnson.

I want you to take a closer look at how and why you roasted Gailey. Mainly because I think we're going to see the same thing happen with Johnson sooner or later (possibly very soon, if you look at our remaining schedule this year) and when it does, I don't want the same thing to happen as last year.
 
beej67 said:
I don't want you to roast Johnson.

I want you to take a closer look at how and why you roasted Gailey. Mainly because I think we're going to see the same thing happen with Johnson sooner or later (possibly very soon, if you look at our remaining schedule this year) and when it does, I don't want the same thing to happen as last year.
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Beej, last year does not equal this year, and Gailey does not equal Johnson. MAYBE, in the future, he will...that is yet to be seen. But it will not, and CAN NOT happen "very soon" as you say. And it certainly can't happen this year.

So why start comparing one loss, to 6(or was it 7) years of these losses? Why compare 5 of Nesbitt's games, to 40 of Reggie's? You took statistics in college didn't you?

Even Picasso started with fingerpaintings.

If you want to stir the pot, go ahead...it's a message board, you're welcome to. But make one thread about it, and talk about it in there. Don't make 3 and on top of that inject it into nearly every other thread on this board.
 
beej67 said:
I want you to take a closer look at how and why you roasted Gailey.
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Nobody cares about doing a thesis on how and why Gailey got roasted. If you think that PJ is being unfairly critisized, address the criticism head-on. If you think that you're going to preemptively headoff a bunch of idiots and a-holes from being idiots and a-holes with this crusade, I got news for you,"You can't fix stupid."
 
beej67 said:
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I want you to take a closer look at how and why you roasted Gailey.
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First of all why? But if you insist, the problem with Gailey was we were having the same damn conversation in year 7 as we were in year 1. If we're still fumbling the ball and can't block anyone in Johnson's 7th year he deserves the same treatment.
 
ncjacket said:
First of all why? But if you insist, the problem with Gailey was we were having the same damn conversation in year 7 as we were in year 1. If we're still fumbling the ball and can't block anyone in Johnson's 7th year he deserves the same treatment.
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I disagree with this, and instead will throw my hat in with Geeteelee:

The character assisination and nitpicking criticisms that went on ad nauseam against Gailey should never happen against any coach barring a Lewisian collaspe.
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But as JTS points out, it's apparently impossible to change anyone's opinion about anything, so discussion forums are really pretty pointless except for posting humorous images of things that block better than our o line.

So I guess I'll just go do that instead.
 
No reexamination of Chan Gailey is complete without a reexamination of Bill Lewis. I mean, you can't evaluate Johnson by evaluating Gailey unless you evaluate how your feelings about Bill Lewis may have influenced your initial examination of Chan Gailey. The last thing we want is for people to mistreat Johnson because they failed to reexamine Bill Lewis before they formulated an opinion about Chan Gailey. I mean, we don't want 1994's influence on 2007 to be repeated this year. On a side note, I think that Tom Luginbill would have run the triple option better than Reggie Ball, but only if Bill Curry was coaching his offensive line.
 
beej67 said:
But as JTS points out, it's apparently impossible to change anyone's opinion about anything, so discussion forums are really pretty pointless except for posting humorous images of things that block better than our o line.
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You can post lesbians in this thread, and make it much more entertaining.
 
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