So Players 30, 40, & 50 Years Ago Finished The Season…

DeepSnap said:
Ahem, I take exception to this broadbrush generalization.

We had a few in their 13th or 14th quarters at NATS - RSrs - who either weren't going to get between the white lines except during warmups or had had a snoot full of Bud Carson and opted to sit out the 1970 Sun Bowl or the 1971 Peach Bowl. And there were also one or two starters among them.

Usually they had just "gotten out" & didn't want to hang around the campus any longer as Christmas approached, wanted to get on with their lives, get married, or start their new jobs. They had hung around to get their degrees, played their assigned roles on the team, then moved on with their lives.

I get your point, and I certainly know a few from some of the surrounding SEC campuses who fit your profile, but bee careful with such.
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I take exception to being labeled a "broadbrush generalization". I started with "Half the players...", ended with "..for some of them", and threw another "..some of them.." in there, in a short 4 sentence post. There is a reason the NCAA tried to fix the embarrassing problem with SAT minimums and later the APR requirements. There were a ton a players back then, and still some now, that didn't belong in the college they were representing, and it was grossly obvious.
 
USCJacket said:
The state of NIL and the Transfer Portal is all the NCAA’s fault, that’s why. Had the NCAA implemented gate revenue sharing with the players even 5 years ago as CFB evolved into a billion dollar industry where HC’s are making $10+ million a year and AD’s are making millions, then P5 football wouldn’t be in the mess it’s in. Instead the NCAA relied on the Supreme Court to back them and instead the Supreme Court correctly blamed the NCAA and pretty much rendering the NCAA powerless.

NIL is here for good. The Transfer Portal can be fixed once the remaining P4 conferences eliminate the NCAA as the governing body and implement their own commissioner. Next should be:

1. Eliminate the stupidity known as APR. How this makes any sense now is a complete joke.
2. Setup Portal guardrails. Kids can enter at any time, but only between a certain designated time period once a year can they transfer.
3. Create guaranteed scholarships that both the player and school agree to and sign. Whether that’s 1, 2, 3, or 4 year which includes healthcare. This would help slow down the Portal nonsense.
4. Setup a team “salary cap” per se, where gate revenue is distributed evenly to the players on the team.

The gate revenue share doesn't have anything to do with NIL. NIL is not the kids fault businesses want to pay them. Good on the kids. Anyone who is upset about NIL needs to look at it from the players point of view.
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NCAA doesn't control gate revenue; so gate revenue sharing, TV contract revenue sharing, or anything along that line is out of the NCAA's bag of options. Any form of paying players directly will get messy (you would still have Title 9 and other stuff to consider). I don't think a salary cap is as easy as you think either.

I don't agree with your #3. In this new portal NIL world the players should not get a guaranteed multi-year scholarships. Instead, if the players don't live up to the expectation, the team should get to dump them at the end of spring semester. Basically make all scholarships for a single year and then let the players recompete for the next year.
 
aeromech said:
NCAA doesn't control gate revenue; so gate revenue sharing, TV contract revenue sharing, or anything along that line is out of the NCAA's bag of options. Any form of paying players directly will get messy (you would still have Title 9 and other stuff to consider). I don't think a salary cap is as easy as you think either.

I don't agree with your #3. In this new portal NIL world the players should not get a guaranteed multi-year scholarships. Instead, if the players don't live up to the expectation, the team should get to dump them at the end of spring semester. Basically make all scholarships for a single year and then let the players recompete for the next year.
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For #3 I imagine players would not be able to enter the portal if they are under scholarship "contract". So you could sign a one year to bet on your upside or a four year to guarantee your spot.

Basically just like every other sport that involves so much money. This is kind of a solved problem, everyone's just dancing around it trying to figure out some way to allow schools to continue to sign billion dollar TV contracts while not treating the players like professionals.

Unfortunately, that ship set sail the moment the ink dried on the first megacontract. Tough to have a sport that's professional in all aspects except the people fans are watching on the field.
 
Does entering the portal prohibit one from playing in a bowl game?
 
GTRules said:
Does entering the portal prohibit one from playing in a bowl game?
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Evidently not.... have heard the talking heads this week referencing players in the portal who were allowed to dress out & play, or at least make the trip to the game site.

Different people, players, coaches, teams, etc, make for individual situations & decisions about playing.
 
justafan said:
Here is one reason why it's sorry to bail on your team to me. For a lot of your teammates who aren't pro caliber, that bowl game is going to be the pinnacle, or at least a high point, of their football careers. By quitting and costing them the game, you are taking away an accomplishment they worked toward. In the future when they look back on their college football days, rather than have a triumph to be proud of, they will just have a let-down loss they didn't deserve.
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Easy to say from the comforts of your couch with absolutely no skin in the game, but you’d be a ööööty father if your son was a projected first day draft pick and you told him he had to play in a non playoff bowl game.
 
GTRules said:
The transfer portal shouldn’t open until after the last game.
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This. The players are pros now and have to be treated as such. Free agency starts after the full season just like the pro leagues. Because we are pretending "school" is still a part of this, Jan 2 opens the window - after the final game is too late.
 
Dirty Jacket said:
Easy to say from the comforts of your couch with absolutely no skin in the game, but you’d be a ööööty father if your son was a projected first day draft pick and you told him he had to play in a non playoff bowl game.
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It's a lot easier to see the meaning in the Orange Bowl when you don't have millions of dollars coming to you and your family if you stay healthy.
 
Dirty Jacket said:
Easy to say from the comforts of your couch with absolutely no skin in the game, but you’d be a ööööty father if your son was a projected first day draft pick and you told him he had to play in a non playoff bowl game.
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Should the first round pick quit half way through the season after their team has a few losses and is eliminated from the CFP?

Also, unrelated but I don't know why these NIL deals don't require participation in the games. Maybe they aren't allowed to, I'm not sure.
 
gtg970g said:
Should the first round pick quit half way through the season after their team has a few losses and is eliminated from the CFP?

Also, unrelated but I don't know why these NIL deals don't require participation in the games. Maybe they aren't allowed to, I'm not sure.
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I don’t know. Maybe, if his stock is set. But it’s usually not 5 games into a season. If it were, they’d all be Simsing.
 
gtg970g said:
Should the first round pick quit half way through the season after their team has a few losses and is eliminated from the CFP?

Also, unrelated but I don't know why these NIL deals don't require participation in the games. Maybe they aren't allowed to, I'm not sure.
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They technically aren't allowed to at the moment by the NCAA. Pay for play is technically against the rules (until it gets overturned in court at some point I'm sure)
 
1. Portal should not open until one week after the national championship is played
2. No coach can be hired by another school until he has finished the season with his current school
3. Since the portal will be opening after second semester has started, the school has to honor their scholarship for the second semester, but only if that player participates in their bowl game unless injured
4. Move Spring practice to first session Summer School, mid-May to early June. Transfers can participate.
5. Portal closes one week after Spring practice is complete

This would clean up a lot of problems being lamented this bowl and transfer season.
 
aeromech said:
There were a ton a players back then, and still some now, that didn't belong in the college they were representing, and it was grossly obvious.
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"still some now?" You think kids now are generally better prepared for college than they used to be? If they are "better prepared" it is because colleges have been dumbed down like everything else.
 
77GTFan said:
1. Portal should not open until one week after the national championship is played
2. No coach can be hired by another school until he has finished the season with his current school
3. Since the portal will be opening after second semester has started, the school has to honor their scholarship for the second semester, but only if that player participates in their bowl game unless injured
4. Move Spring practice to first session Summer School, mid-May to early June. Transfers can participate.
5. Portal closes one week after Spring practice is complete

This would clean up a lot of problems being lamented this bowl and transfer season.
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Portal or not, you can't force the players unless they are contractually bound to play. They can still sit out the game and just wait until the portal opens. There is no going back from this. The only answer is bonus pay for playing, which is gonna open a whole new can of worms since you might only be paying a few players to show up and the non star players may just say "öööö it, y'all can live without 9-10 players now"
 
gtg970g said:
Should the first round pick quit half way through the season after their team has a few losses and is eliminated from the CFP?

Also, unrelated but I don't know why these NIL deals don't require participation in the games. Maybe they aren't allowed to, I'm not sure.
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That will be next …. as soon as players are projected to go in the draft they won't finish the season or skip the last non conference game like UGA.
 
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