So who is it all you complainers want for HC, and

Originally posted by Big Buck:
Everyone on this board know how I feel about CG. I have never felt that he is the man to lead us to success on the playing field. He has so many deficiencies, such as a total lack of public relations skills, can't inspire his team, and he is obviously is a slow thinker on the sidelines.
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I think everyone on this board knows how I feel about the hiring of CG, also; but I stated it up front, as Lee Corso would say, not a second guess but a first guess.

But it really was not a guess. All the things you point out were clearly apparent...if there had been a little less resume worship and a lot more honest resume analysis.

The point is not really not how soon he should be fired; it is the mindboggling realization that he was hired in the first place, that is so hard for some of us lifetime TECH fans to take.

All a friend can say is ain't it a shame....a shame that was avoidable.
 
Originally posted by Jerry the Jacket:
I agree. We will need a kick butt coach to come in here and clean up the mess. Coughlin might be a great interim solution if not him, maybe we kiss and make up with O'Leary.

Ted Roof was the right man for this job. He would have grown into it and taken the program to new levels of achievement (my opinion). The old line crowd would never have accepted Mac because he has UGAG on his diploma.

MY COMMENT: ". . . THE RIGHT MAN FOR THE JOB? DO YOU REMEMBER THE DEFENSE WE HAD UNDER HIM? GRANTED, HE'S A GREAT "TECH MAN," BUT OUR D WAS HORRIBLE. HOW MANY AVERAGE POINTS DID WE GIVE UP? SORRY, BUT THAT'S JUST LOOKING BACK THROUGH "GOLD-COLORED GLASSES" IN MY OPINION.
Go Jackets!
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I honestly believe we will start out the way this year ended: Chan Gailey taking our beloved Jackets down the toilet.
 
I agree with BDG about Roof. If I were to choose a young up and coming coach I don’t think there is a better choice. I not sure how well he would do but like BDG I would rather pay the million to Roof.

The top of my list at this point is Mac and he would come here in a heartbeat.
 
Here I go getting into the middle of a fray again; one day I will learn to shut up and watch from the sidelines, but here goes anyway:

1. C. Gailey was hired, done deal, like it or not it took place; if you are FOR Tech (at least for the moment, get over everything else until the mid or end of next year.) Cool it!! Else take your toys and go home until then; evidently you are not happy, so quit spreading your contagious despair. So, you are miserable: ask yourself, "What Good am I accomplishing for Georgia Tech, the School which I profess to love"? Taking your toys and returning home for a season is perfectly acceptable,it alllows others to more freely play the game that is being played. Just learn to change what you can and accept what you cannot change. Come around again after 4 or 5 games next year. Till then get in or get out......quit riding the wagon as a free-loader and/or detractor detrimental to the welfare of Georgia Tech. I love and loved Mac. He was my choice, but he was not hired: accept it!! At least for the time being: This is Spilt Milk. Coach O'Leary is not here; he LEFT US OF HIS OWN FREE WiLL, and leave us he did....who cares for what: facts are HE LEFT US!
I love him too, but for the time being, please leave it alone.
I seriously doubt that he would have had a great deal of support here if he had stayed through this year. We had a miserable, disapointing year just before he left. He and the staff DID NOT GET THE JOB DONe. Honestly, it did not happen. Sure to some it may have, but at best, That is debatable. But he left: that is not debatable. Personally, if we hire another coach that is not superior to GAiley and/or O'Leary, I will be extremely disappointed. O'L, was a tremendous administrator and organizer, but he did not have the complete staff that he needed to get the job done that many expected and apparently would not have changed much if he stayed and (just surmising) would have been under extreme pressure If he had stayed here another year. A staff overhaul would have been needed or else the year would have been about the same. He has some things that make him loveable and he has some things that (according to what I have read) make him destestable. I personally loved him, but if he had not shaken the staff from the previous year, I would have been grossly disapointed and wonder if it would not have been the same for most who read this board. I seriously doubt that the year would have been much different if at all.
3. Gailey has not failed. He shows indications that he might, but ONCE AND FOR ALL consider the obstacles against this year's success. I was disapointed as many of you, but to find another year when so much was stacked against success would be difficult. Injuries were catastrophic.
4. There are names from time to time which are called out as being "The coach we need". Personally, I would not claim that for ANYONE who was not already a proven sucessful, winning D-1 coach (and I do not mean somone who is 500 or a little better.) Tech Man? I don't care if he comes from Liberia if he can coach us to 8 or more wins and a challenge for a MNC occasionally. I don't care if we wear polka dot uniforms, or who coaches, and where he went to school(or shoot!&lt; where "she" went to school....if you follow college football closely, you most likely are interested in WINNING. Hey , let's play the hand we are dealt for now and if later we can or need to do anything differenct do it then.....for now, let's pull together with what/who we have. That is if we really love Tech!
 
Let's face it the best we can hope for under Gailey is mediocrity. If a coach is going to be good, you generally see immediate improvement. Look at Grobe at Wake Forrest, Freidgen at Maryland, Willingham at Notre Dame, Franchione at Alabama, Stoops at Oklahoma, Holtz at South Carolina / Notre Dame, and I hate to say it Richt at Ugag.

As far as who I would like to have as our head coach:

Jim Grobe - Let's see WF has about 3,000 students, a 16,000 seat stadium, all at a very good academic school with very little football tradition. The guy gets everything out of his players and they beleive in him. I have to believe we can pay him more than WF and offer him a better chance to win consistently.

Norm Chow - I like to call this choice, Freidgen-Lite. This guy has been a part of the college game forever and has been successful everywhere he has ever been. He's coach more NFL QBs than most schools have produced NFL players. Of course, his critics say he doesn't like to recruit and isn't head coaching material. Where have we heard that before?

Bud Foster - Virginia Tech is known for Mike Vick, defense, and special teams. Bud Foster is responsible for two of the three and God is responsible for the third. Ask any VT fan how much they would hate to lose this guy and they will tell you how good this guy is.

I will support GT because its my school, but it pains me to watch the direction we are headed in.
 
Mercifully, my son is playing travel hockey and I have little time to see games in person. Thankfully, Encore pays very well for tickets to games like Auburn, Clemson and Georgia. At least I can recoup my "investment" in GT athletics.

I would wager that GT does not win more than 5 games next year and that is unacceptable.

CG, you are a good man but you must go.

Coach Van Goerder, how would you like to add the name Tech to your wardrobe and also put another 750K in your bank account?
 
Originally posted by Gold Rush:

Now, at this point, I gotta admit, I'm 100% in BeeWare's camp...
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Camp beeware....hmmmm.....got a good ring to it!!
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Cecil Flowe does a better job with the media, has his teams better prepared and appears to not shy away from talking to people about the game. Heck, he makes 1/15th of Gailey.

And don't you think Gailey should have done the honorable thing and donated his bowl game bonus check to charity after that outing?
 
techsamillion, I've got to support you here amid the masses (cue to masses to start throwing stones.)

ladies and gentlemen, there has yet to have been a snap taken in 2003. CCG is not the enemy. I would bet my salary has not once made a decision that he believed would be detrimental to GT. Do I understand all of his decisions? NO, and neither do any of you. I am extremely disappionted with last season. I expect much more. In fact, I have higher expectations for year to year performances than many on this board as indicated my various "expectation threads."

That being said, nobody knows what will happen this upcoming season. We all on this board could pretty much name the posters who would fall into the "beeware camp" and those who fall into the "Chan's chance camp." However, please stop the "gloom and doom" prognastication. If you end up right, good for you but bad for Tech. You are more than welcome to pull up old posts and have an "I told you so" party. If you are wrong, then good for Tech. I personally won't being up "what about now" issues, but rest assured that many will not be that merciful.

The fact remains that CCG and apparantly staff is here for '03-'04. What good at all does the negativity produce? It has gone beyond the point of "expressing concern" and "venting" one's emotions. No one has any choice but to wait and see. It is absolutely useless to go down the list of "should have hired" or "should hire when Chan gets the axe."

I'm not one to claim that the boards have much sway over recruits, but it is not unfathomable to think recruits make stops here and there to see what the tone is. A recruit reading some of these threads would see absolutely no support of or love for Tech. I know otherwise, but a recruit wouldn't. If I were recruiting a particular athlete against Tech, I would direct them here.

I could say more, and I might later. Believe me, I'm not on some "gold-colored glasses" trip, and I know that the ship needs to be righted, but we've got a crew in place like them or not. Help right the ship with support instead of rocking the ship.
 
Originally posted by Axe:
Since the thread is so long and already so negative. I'm going to take my shots at Gailey too. I don't know what it is about the guy but he doesn't sell himself or the program. He just doesn't have the look or feel of a winner. He just comes off as fake to me.

I've never been more down about GT football than I am right now. The program has been in worse shape than this but I think we are headed downhill quickly. This belief has as much to do with the current state of school leadership as it does CG.
I'm usually an optimist so this is a new thing for me. Still, he has my full support for another year. Hopefully, I'm very wrong and have misjudged the man and the job he will do for GT.
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That pretty much sums it up for me.

I think some of us, over a period of years (in my experience, since the mid-60's) develop a 6th sense for Tech athletics....(half-kidding, half-serious)...Having been through ALL the ups and downs.

All the various facts and opinions aside, I just sense a downturn in the program. Maybe its "The Hill" as well as CG...Who knows, but I'll be surprised if we win more than 5 games next year.
 
Sad to honestly admit it Gold Rush but I agree, especially about the Hill. But what do I know??

Sure hope I am 100% wrong.

I think that if we got a "knock-out" recruiting season, it would improve all of our feelings. I doubt that we will but, Who knows, maybe it will happen yet.......in the meantime, I will hide and watch. And I love/Support Georgia Tech as you also do. That last UGAG game hurt something fierce, but I have not given up yet.
 
Brian Van Gorder is an excellent choice! He motivates his players and makes the necessary halftime adjustments. That is two major reasons for our need for a coaching change. The man is in our own backyard at the enemys camp also. The addition of Coach Van Gorder would be a major subtraction for the Dawgs. Now who could disagree or be unhappy with that.
 
cbre, just a point of clarification, you might want to take Holtz off your list of examples - he was 0-11 his first year, remember? Also Richt's first year record was exactly the same as Donnan's last season. If I had the inclination I could come up with just as many examples of programs where the coach got off to a slow start and proved successful. Let's face it, logic has nothing to do with this discussion, either you like Chan as our HC, or you don't, or (like me) you will decide later.
 
GMC68, how would you compare this years NCSUcks game to the bowl last year? How do we know that the Seattle game was nothing more than a one shot wonder like raleigh? To the people who think we need a coach for no other reason than he went to GT - grow up. That has nothing to do with us being successful and has everything to do with enhancing an elitist attitude. Dooley went to awebern, Darryl Royal went to OU. Fulcher went to GT. It is not relevant to success for cripes sake.
 
ncjacket, wins and losses are a great measure of coaching performance over the long term, but evaluating coaching performance over a shorter period is more subjective. Although Holtz had a bad record his first year, USC fans still felt very good about the direction of the program because Holtz expressed his vision to them. Richt might have had the same record, but he did it without 3 or 4 1st and 2nd round NFL draft picks and a freshman QB. In both cases, it was pretty obvious that the coaching was better even though the record was not. Execution was crisp and precise,all players seemed to know were they were supposed to be, and there were very few wasted plays. Just my opinion.
 
Originally posted by cbre:
ncjacket, wins and losses are a great measure of coaching performance over the long term, but evaluating coaching performance over a shorter period is more subjective. Although Holtz had a bad record his first year, USC fans still felt very good about the direction of the program because Holtz expressed his vision to them. Richt might have had the same record, but he did it without 3 or 4 1st and 2nd round NFL draft picks and a freshman QB. In both cases, it was pretty obvious that the coaching was better even though the record was not. Execution was crisp and precise,all players seemed to know were they were supposed to be, and there were very few wasted plays. Just my opinion.
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What memories! It was not at all obvious that "the coaching was better" at UGAg in 2001. In fact, this time last year, we were laughing at bonehead playcalling over there, and about the Music City Bowl.

Nonetheless, if you are determined to be miserable about Tech football, then by all means enjoy your misery.
 
Originally posted by bellyseries:
It was not at all obvious that "the coaching was better" at UGAg in 2001. In fact, this time last year, we were laughing at bonehead playcalling over there, and about the Music City Bowl.

Nonetheless, if you are determined to be miserable about Tech football, then by all means enjoy your misery.
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One does not have to be (to use your words) "determined to be miserable about Tech football" at this time. It is virtually unavoidable if you watch what is happening to our program without blinders on.

And it was very obvious last year that Richt had ugag going in the right direction, regardless of a couple of highly publicized boneheaded decisions.

It is equally obvious that TECH and ugag are headed in opposite directions.
 
Beeware... the programs were headead in opposite directions before Gailey ever set foot on the Flats... (which I am sure it makes you happy hearing that because you are a Dawg)...

I spent 3 hours down at the Athletic Dept yesterday talking with various people associated with the program... we are definately headed in the right direction today !!
 
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