That freakin' Field Goal Attempt

Re: Your point is not entirely true....

B said:
I say he is questioned directly proportional to the outcomes of the games. I say had we closed 3-0 rather than 0-3, all of which were winnable games, the tone of the fan base would be considerably different. I think Chan or any coach has a great degree of influence on how he is perceived by the fan base.
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Well said! It's all in how you finish.
 
GT65_UGA89 said:
What the hell does the FG attempt have to do with the onside kick. Trying a 54 yard field goal in the rain with a kicker who has never kicked a FG of that length was a stupid decision. IMO you have a better chance throwing to CJ on 4th down than you do kicking that FG. Laugh that off.
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Funny. You didn't answer the question. My point is that you use 20/20 hindsight to justify an outcome. IMHO, if a pass attempt to Calvin had been tried and unsuccessful, you would be on here pissing and moaning that we should have attempted a field goal. I'm still LMAO at your 20/20 hindsight. :laugher:
 
This isn't like throwing dice. It was a poor strategic play because he had never made a kick this long, and what would have been his odds even if he had?
The last 3 and out our defense had was after TB's interception when wvu had it from their own 5.

Even if the kick had gone 55 and was good, it still would have been a stupid choice of plays.

Taylor panicked on the play prior. His decision on the dump off to Grant was a hurried one. Not that I am complaining about our obviously "inferior" ;) backup's play in his first real game.
 
BeeGone said:
Funny. You didn't answer the question. My point is that you use 20/20 hindsight to justify an outcome. IMHO, if a pass attempt to Calvin had been tried and unsuccessful, you would be on here pissing and moaning that we should have attempted a field goal. I'm still LMAO at your 20/20 hindsight. :laugher:
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No sir, your assessment of my opinion is entirely wrong. I was unhappy when I saw Travis Bell coming onto the field to attempt a 54 yard field goal in the rain. In that situation, as I have clearly stated once already, I would have preferred a pass attempt to CJ. I did not want a FG attempt, I did not want a punt, my preference was to go for it on fourth down.

If the FG was made, fine ...great ...three points. But still, my preference in that particular situation was to go for the first down with the best viable option on the football field, that being CJ. If we try it and fail, so be it.

There is nothing 20/20 about my statement. You disagree with my opinion, and that's fine, but don't tell me what I was and was not thinking during that moment in the game.

As for your question about the onside kick. I was not looking for it, basically because it's so far-fetched for Chan to do something like that. But I'm glad that he tried it, not only because it did work, but because Chan is more of a conservative, low-risk taking head coach and I'm glad to see him break out of his shell a bit with that call. It's fine to take risks sometimes, like trying an onside kick to start off a half, or to throw to the best receiver in college football on fourth down instead of trying a FG where the chances of making it are slim.
 
GT65_UGA89 said:
As for your question about the onside kick. I was not looking for it, basically because it's so far-fetched for Chan to do something like that. But I'm glad that he tried it, not only because it did work, but because Chan is more of a conservative, low-risk taking head coach and I'm glad to see him break out of his shell a bit with that call. It's fine to take risks sometimes, like trying an onside kick to start off a half, or to throw to the best receiver in college football on fourth down instead of trying a FG where the chances of making it are slim.
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Ah, isn't 20/20 hindsight great.
 
BeeGone said:
Ah, isn't 20/20 hindsight great.
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Probably not as good as eating crow is it? Perhaps you should stick to expressing your own opinions instead of pounding away at the keyboard and telling everyone else what their thoughts are.
 
The field goal attempt was not a bad decision. Odds are a punt would have given it to them on the 20 instead of the 35. Even with 20/20 hindsight, I could see that the D was not consistently stopping their O at that point.

It was suprisingly close, so I choose to believe that Chan had seen some indication in practice that it was worth the risk. Whether missing the field goal, punting, or missing a fourth down play, our D was still going to have to do the job. At least if the FG is good, we would have been tied. None of the other outcomes guaranteed that result.

We can hang this loss on the block in the back and the interception on the previous possession.
 
knoxjacket said:
Travis Bell's career long is 46. Punt it, pin them and force them to run their offense differently.
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ordinarily I would agree...but our defense just got it handed to them ALL DAY LONG. It was painful sitting in the stands and watching them run it down our throat. I had ZERO hope we would stop them even if we gave them the ball back deep...and then we proved it when we needed to hold them to less than 2 first downs on the final drive in the last 2 minutes when they took it all the way down the field.

We could have made adjustments at halftime...but either we did not or the personnel did not respond.

one thing is for sure...their fan helped them a TON in the 3rd qtr...they were LOUD. Our fans were nowhere to be found. The few, the proud.
 
hiveredtech said:
ordinarily I would agree...but our defense just got it handed to them ALL DAY LONG. It was painful sitting in the stands and watching them run it down our throat. I had ZERO hope we would stop them even if we gave them the ball back deep...and then we proved it when we needed to hold them to less than 2 first downs on the final drive in the last 2 minutes when they took it all the way down the field.

We could have made adjustments at halftime...but either we did not or the personnel did not respond.

one thing is for sure...their fan helped them a TON in the 3rd qtr...they were LOUD. Our fans were nowhere to be found. The few, the proud.
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If you don't understand that they were running their offense differently when pinned down, you weren't watching their previous two posessions.

It was the second straight game that Chan made a stupid game decision at the end.
 
knoxjacket said:
If you don't understand that they were running their offense differently when pinned down, you weren't watching their previous two posessions.

It was the second straight game that Chan made a stupid game decision at the end.
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oh yeah....I was watching...I saw the freakin' fullback bust it 60 yds. down the sidelinee opening play from their own 23 yrd. line.

If you think our defense could have stopped them...then you were drinking too much again.

The big killers were the no call on the pass interference on Dunlap for TB's INT...and the useless hand on the back by Dunlap that resulted in the block from behind call that nullified what would have been a 1st down situation near the WVU goal line with a few minutes remaining.

However, even if we go up 42-38 there....I am not so sure their offense could have been slowed down to prevent a 45-42 loss.
 
GT65, couple of thoughts. First it wasn't raining at that point in the game. In fact, it barely rained at all so that shouldn't have affected anything. Second the wind was a little with him I believe. Third, we did not have a good day punting. The reason I didn't have a problem with going for the FG was that I had my doubts about pinning them back. If their going to start at the 20, what difference does the 37 or whatever make? The fact is they weren't going to throw anyway.
 
hiveredtech said:
oh yeah....I was watching...I saw the freakin' fullback bust it 60 yds. down the sidelinee opening play from their own 23 yrd. line.

If you think our defense could have stopped them...then you were drinking too much again.

The big killers were the no call on the pass interference on Dunlap for TB's INT...and the useless hand on the back by Dunlap that resulted in the block from behind call that nullified what would have been a 1st down situation near the WVU goal line with a few minutes remaining.

However, even if we go up 42-38 there....I am not so sure their offense could have been slowed down to prevent a 45-42 loss.
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They weren't deep inside their territory on that running play. We had just held them to three and out twice right before that FG attempt.

Our defense had a much better shot at stopping them inside their 10 than Bell had of hitting a career long field goal.
 
knoxjacket said:
Our defense had a much better shot at stopping them inside their 10 than Bell had of hitting a career long field goal.
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agree with that...but why do you think they would have been inside their own 10? A punt probably ends up at the 20...a 17-yd differential.

Unless of course we go for it and do not get 9 yds...instead getting 8 yds. and they end up on the 29 instead of the 37.
 
agree with that...but why do you think they would have been inside their own 10? A punt probably ends up at the 20...a 17-yd differential.
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Umm, even though Durant Brooks had a poor day punting the odds of him putting it inside the 20 are, once again, exponentially higher than Travis Bell besting his career long by 7 yards.
 
Guys with the new clock rules there were only two choices kick a field goal or go for it. The clock would have run out if we punted just as it did in the ACC championship. I think he should have gone for it considering Bell's year and leg strength or used the kickoff guy to try who has plenty of leg strength. I was glad to see him try to put points on the board for a change.
 
There were over four and a half minutes left. We had either two or three timeouts. I think three. The clock would not have run out unless we gave up a few first downs.

We punted against WF with like 1:45 to go. That was a stupid decision as well, but it really didn't matter. Ball wasn't going to get that first down and we we're going to have enough time if we stopped them.
 
We had two timeouts left and WVa had been running on us all day long. I told everybody around us that we were in four down territory with time left. We needed to get some points there or the game was over. I would have preferred we go for it myself.
 
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