The ACC and Gator Bowl can burn.

I heard from a VERY reliable source

pocket_watch said:
In defense of the Gator Bowl, the cg loser is supposed to go to the Peach, while the winner of course goes on to the OB.
Either the Peach or the league is to blame. If the ACC had more nerve, they would coerce the Peach to take the league runner up at all costs.

I don't blame the Gator Bowl.
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that when the Peach negotiated with the ACC to become the league's 2nd Bowl (behind the BCS), a handshake agreement was made that the Peach would take the ACCCG loser as long as the CG was in Jax. That's not in writing anywhere, but I know that a gentlemen's agreement on this matter was reached before the ACC agreed to elevate the Peach Bowl's status. Sooooo, the real villain in the piece is our hometown bowl which wants the Dawggies and therefore does not want us, and certainly doesn't want Wake because of ticket sales issues. And I wouldn't be surprised to see the Gator Bowl folks spill the beans about this sidebar deal if the ACC forces them to take the loser...
 
refrigeratormover said:
I say go back to the 12 bowls we had 25 years ago and stop all this BS.
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YES. I had this conversation for 3 hours last night. A bowl should be a reward, I love the conference affiliations, and I really like the fact that 2 teams can both be national champ at the same time.

It was a lot more fun.
 
refrigeratormover said:
I say go back to the 12 bowls we had 25 years ago and stop all this BS.
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I couldn't agree more. There are way too many bowls and way too many stupid corporate named bowls. There is a pizza bowl this year (actually papajohns.com bowl). Some of the ACC tie-ins are the worst: MPC Computers, Meineke Car Care, Champ Sports (go back to calling it the Tangerine ...wait a minute, the original Tangerine was changed to the Florida Citrus Bowl and now is the Capital One Bowl), Chick Fil A (keep the bowl, call it the Peach).

There are 32 bowl games. There are two bowl games being played the week between the Sugar Bowl (excuse me, Allstate Sugar Bowl) and the BCS Championship game, the International Bowl in Toronto Canada and the GMAC in Birmingham. That makes a lot of sense.
 
the real villain in the piece is our hometown bowl which wants the Dawggies and therefore does not want us..
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The REAL villan is Swafford for not getting the "handshake agreement" above in writing.

What a godfarging idiot.
 
Why do people keep suggesting the ACCCG be placed in Atlanta? Are they too dense to understand the same problem that exists with the Gator would then occur with the Chicken Bowl?

The best solution would be to move it to Charlotte who has a lower tier bowl or to a location that doesn't have a bowl tie-in with the ACC. If Jacksonville wants the ACCCG, then they have to live with the possibility that they get the loser in the Gator. If that isn't acceptable, then give up the game.

In the Gator and Chicken Bowl's opinion, they would have Clemson and Virginia Tech every year regardless of achievement on the field. In the long term, this is self defeating because the national audience would quit caring, but they are willing to bet on the come in return for fannies in seats.

It is the ACC's job to guarantee that its' member schools are treated fairly. If they can't perform this function, then they should be replaced. Swofford in particular is seen as the problem. How do we get rid of him?
 
I am not complaining, just merely stating a situation.

Bowls don't hate Ga Tech or Wake or many of the other league teams. They just hate the fact that most ACC teams just don't draw well enough to send 30k + on the road. The exceptions are fsu (when in a major bowl) clemson and VT all the time.
For the same reason, southern bowls do love sec teams. Sec teams in general also have a bigger following in the host cities and those people will buy tickets to cheer for against an sec team.

The only real economic solution is to cut the out of town bowls back to the 12 suggested. If more post season field trip games are desired, 12 more could be played with the higher ranked team being the host.
 
Charlotte would have the same problems as Jacksonville. Nobody cares about college football in North Carolina. The state is all about basketball. An ACCCG in Atlanta would out draw an ACCCG in any other location in a state where there is an ACC school. People in Atlanta love college football and even non-fans of the competing teams will go to watch.

If the local people in Jacksonville don't want to go to the Gator and they are going to rely solely on the teams to sell the tickets, they might as well have the Gator in Clemson or Blacksburg every year to save the travel expense for the fans.
 
I heard that the Gator Bowl has an out, a once-in-every-five-year pick 'em, so to speak where they can go pick someone else.
 
Swofford better get this resolved. We were the only 7-1 team. Yes, we had two non-conference losses - to UGA and ND - anyone else in the conference win games against teams better than these?

If we go to JAX and lose, it't the Chick-Fil-A, period. If not, I urge Swofford to move the Peach Bowl to about sixth in the picking order. Charlotte would be a good place for the loser of the Championship game each year with the Gator picking the next best team.

To hell with a bowl that argues against my alma mater because they are local but loves to get the Dawgs whenever they can, as if those pick-up and tractor drivers plan to stay in Atlanta hotels any more than we would.

The LSU game showed Tech can draw well in Atlanta. They just plain and simple love the Dawgs and hate us. If Swofford can't stand up to them, then let's see if we can find a conference that can stand up for us.

If they want the Dawgs in ATL, I say bring 'em on again. I'd rather not have to wait a year to beat them anyway. Why not a rematch? C'mon dog, it's just a game!
 
No,no beej67 that wasn't harsh at all re: Swafford. The sob threw Tech under the bus last year for virginia to go to Nashville. Virginia had him in their pocket. This is the man who flat just turned over Atlanta to the SEC with no fight. He still believes that the earth centers around the Carolinas when in truth Atlanta is a bigger media market than any city in N. Carolina, probably bigger than any 2 cities put together. If he let's the Gator out of their agreement to take the loser of the ACC CG the man would prove he has No B---s.My opinion of course!
 
If they want the Dawgs in ATL, I say bring 'em on again. I'd rather not have to wait a year to beat them anyway. Why not a rematch? C'mon dog, it's just a game![/quote]


I'll take it in a heart beat and don't give me the crap of we already had our chance.


That is if we don't do well in the accCg, which is highly unlikely. probability of 92.458 to 7.542 that we win.
 
Obviously We End All Speculation ....

by winning Saturday and earning a place in the Orange Bowl. Apparently we could have ended the some other speculation last week by winning at UGA and apparently guaranteeing ourselves no worse than the CFA Bowl. It's no coincidence that winning relieves the worry of arbitrary selection.
 
mover, if you take their statements at face value, they're not saying they don't think Tech fans will buy tickets. They're saying they worry that we won't buy them to the same site a month later. I'm not defending their logic, but I don't think they had a good experience with VT twice in a row last year. They want a team that wasn't just there.
 
refrigeratormover said:
If they want the Dawgs in ATL, I say bring 'em on again. I'd rather not have to wait a year to beat them anyway. Why not a rematch? C'mon dog, it's just a game!
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I'll take it in a heart beat and don't give me the crap of we already had our chance.


That is if we don't do well in the accCg, which is highly unlikely. probability of 92.458 to 7.542 that we win.[/quote]

I agree with John. And while I wouldn't be willing to bet the mortgage on GT winning the rematch, I might consider betting the waste disposal bill.
 
JTS said:
I think it would be neat to have the ACCCG in Atlanta. They could play the ACCCG game at noon before the SECCG. It would be college football nirvana in a town that actually cares about college football.
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There's one issue with this -- The SEC "controls" the building that entire day. There's no way that they'd allow the ACC to move in on that territory. The only way that they'd have the game in Atlanta would be if it were the weekend prior.

The best option is to move the game to Charlotte.
 
JTS said:
Charlotte would have the same problems as Jacksonville.

they might as well have the Gator in Clemson or Blacksburg every year to save the travel expense for the fans.
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Agree. Agree.

Actually, Clemson would do well in Charlotte, but Clemson would do well anywhere.

Nowhere does it say that a CG has to be played in nice weather. It's a championship game, not a bowl game.
Jax in December is no sure bet by the way.
I seriously say we move the game to Washington, DC. Except for possible weather, it's a no brainer for everything else.
 
heck, I don't care where the ACCCG is...

let's play the game at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro
 
No Charlotte wouldn't have the same problem the Gator bowl has since it's farther down the bowl pecking order. The odds of a team making the ACCCG, losing and falling the the Meinke bowl (or whatever it's name is now) would be much smaller than what the Gator faces.
 
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